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You've defended/explained the State using 0 logic or principles, and it's apparently given you 0 pause. I'm just against coercion and genuinely attempt to be consistent about it, whether I'm referring to the State or an individual. Your belief in the State's authority is a religious one.

Lol dude, you responded to the half of that specific post you wanted to respond to. ****ing pathetic. Here is the other half:

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Luckproof, I don't understand why you seem to think that your "rights", whatever you think they are, are moral absolutes, yet society's "rights" are a fiction created by "mob rule". Where did you derive these rights that you think you have, and why can't society derive its rights from the same place?

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07-11-2020 , 09:28 PM

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chezlaw

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Prove that my body is my property? My mind is literally born in possession of it.

If you ever watch a puppy learning where it's body is, you might question this.

It's not entirely irrelevant because what we have in our minds is actually a model of our body (would also explain why you can have phantom limb for example). The natural concept of possession is quite likely a part of that modelling of the world.

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07-12-2020 , 08:56 AM

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tomdemaine

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Claiming I own my body is not initiating force on anyone. I may have to defend myself to retain that ownership, but that is not initiation.

I claim to own the land you are living on. You have 24 hours to leave or I'm going to forcefully defend my claim by violently evicting you. Not the initiation of violence though.

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Prove that my body is my property? My mind is literally born in possession of it.

Mere possession is not proof of ownership. Try again.

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07-13-2020 , 07:24 PM

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luckproof

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine

I claim to own the land you are living on. You have 24 hours to leave or I'm going to forcefully defend my claim by violently evicting you. Not the initiation of violence though.

Mere possession is not proof of ownership. Try again.

Not the same thing, my body is not, and has never been, possessed by anyone else's mind. It wasn't taken from anyone, it was created for me. I have a rightful claim to it.

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07-13-2020 , 07:34 PM

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luckproof

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Lol dude, you responded to the half of that specific post you wanted to respond to. ****ing pathetic. Here is the other half:

Do you think arguing in bad faith and being douche will get you more or less engagement? You are not using any logic and have no principled arguments. Your last question barely makes sense and I don't want to spend 10 posts clarifying it so you can just eventually pivot, again.

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07-13-2020 , 07:38 PM

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tomdemaine

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Originally Posted by luckproof

Not the same thing, my body is not, and has never been, possessed by anyone else's mind. It wasn't taken from anyone, it was created for me. I have a rightful claim to it.

Says who?

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07-13-2020 , 07:45 PM

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d2_e4

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Alright dude, no need to scream at me because you don't understand a basic question. The question is pretty clear, maybe try reading it a couple of times?

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07-13-2020 , 07:48 PM

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wet work

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Not the same thing, my body is not, and has never been, possessed by anyone else's mind. It wasn't taken from anyone, it was created for me. I have a rightful claim to it.

If you were ever drafted would you go? Did you sign up for selective service?

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07-15-2020 , 06:56 PM

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luckproof

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Says who?

Are you claiming my body was stolen? Hey listen, the Matrix is one of my favorite documentaries too, but I really can't prove that I didn't transplant my mind into someone else's body by force, so I guess that's a W for you.

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Alright dude, no need to scream at me because you don't understand a basic question. The question is pretty clear, maybe try reading it a couple of times?

Did you ever think that maybe the burden of proof wrt rights is on you? The one who advocates coercion and mob rule.

Aren't you basically asking me where I get the authority to be left alone?

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If you were ever drafted would you go? Did you sign up for selective service?

Not unless I wanted to.

Forced labor under some of the worst conditions, I assume you lefties are against this? Maybe not.

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07-15-2020 , 07:00 PM

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d2_e4

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Aren't you basically asking me where I get the authority to be left alone?

Yes. If you live as a member of a society, you don't have some absolute authority to be left alone as far as I can see. If you want to be left alone, move to a desert island. Although, if more than one of you moves to the same island, you'll probably soon discover that your authority to be left alone is not nearly as absolute as you think, if there are limited resources on the island. But the again, we're back to living in a society.

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07-15-2020 , 07:44 PM

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luckproof

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You know I didn't mean LITERALLY left alone right?

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07-15-2020 , 07:46 PM

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d2_e4

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You know I didn't mean LITERALLY left alone right?

I have no idea what you mean because you just keep answering questions with more questions. Try formulating your thoughts in response to my question above and that will clue me in to what you mean.

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07-15-2020 , 08:23 PM

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wet work

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Not unless I wanted to.

Forced labor under some of the worst conditions, I assume you lefties are against this? Maybe not.

I'm gonna go ahead and mark you down for a statist on that one

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07-17-2020 , 06:42 PM

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I'm gonna go ahead and mark you down for a statist on that one

Not on my permanent record I hope

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07-19-2020 , 04:50 AM

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Libertarians basic belieff isvthat the biggest gangster should not be subject to any oversight.

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07-20-2020 , 05:07 AM

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Who will build the roads!!??

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