It's incredible how you manage to be aggressively wrong on nearly every single issue, even with people patiently explaining to you your mistake.

yes allowing no question asked abortion even for a few weeks saying that's reasonable can already cost you your primary often enough.

but the smart ones know they will have to say that. but later, not now.

remember that for many of them it should stay a state issue, and national consensus doesn't mean popular vote, rather purple state consensus (say Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan), popular national vote doesn't count in the USA. if 28 m Californians are pro free for all abortion, that weights like 600k people from Montana being against.

59.2 to 40.8 in Kansas. 56.8 to 43.2 in OHIO, after they obfuscated the vote as much as possible to go the republicans way. you're the one talking polls, i'm talking votes. abortion is a MASSIVE loser for republicans even in red states. please let them be dumb enough to bring it up in the 2024 cycle.

ye maybe you forgot the content of the referendum for Kansas, it went 40% in favour of no right to abortion even in case of rape or incest wtf.

I said the people agreeing with that are 10-15% nationwide, everyone knows that.

so 40% in Kansas means an absolute majority of primary republican voters there want a complete ban no exception, which is why saying 12 weeks can be ok would already be incredible for a republican candidate in Kansas.

now, do you think there are 25, states where the absolute majority of voters are in favor of 24 weeks no question asked abortion? really? because that would be roe

Do you think we can run reverse psychology on these guys and get them to campaign on banning abortion?

the kansas referendum that i cited was going to add this: to their constitution. so 40% wanted to be able to make laws against abortion and 60% said the state constitution does/or should protect the right to abortion.


i think if abortion was front and center and the choice was anything less than the viability standard in roe, then yes i would predict the democrats would have a great cycle. that's one of the reasons the republicans say crazy batshit like post birth abortion because they are trying to distract from the fact that basically no abortions occur after viability anyway.

we might get to test our theories Luciom..

Florida enacting a 6 week ban and there is a "viability" amendment on the ballot for November.

My theory would be tested if the law allowed for 12-15 weeks and the referendum was for 24.

At it is, it's quite plausible, almost certain I'd say a majority will prefer viability to 6 weeks.

But being Florida they need 60% of the votes to pass it so I don't know if it will pass

plot twist marks a win for abortion rights in Indiana

an extraordinary April 4 appellate court decision in Indiana

The unanimous ruling from the three-judge panel, which found that the state’s
abortion ban burdens the religious beliefs of those whose faiths permit abortions

plaintiffs argued that their religious doctrine teaches that a fetus
is part of a woman’s body, not an independent being with its own rights.
The abortion ban, then, violates their religious freedom to decide whether to have an abortion

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...bby-rcna146844

extreme anti-abortion laws in Texas, wife miscarried, and was unable
to receive healthcare, leading to complications that nearly killed her

WANTED PREGNANCIES CAN GO WRONG.
Pro-Choice means patients make their own medical decisions not the government.

Doctors are not going to risk their freedom or money to save a random stranger's life.

Great stuff, this is the sort of quality of intellectual argument we've come to expect from republicans.

I doubt there is much danger of you ever getting laid with that attitude, so I wouldn't worry about it, it doesn't affect you.

The funny thing about people who are pro abortion is they are also very much in favor of pride and they consider themselves to be extremley morally just, like oh I'm a democrat and the republicans are selfish wall street greedy business men all out for themselves, not saying that there's anything wrong with being gay.

But the point is if you do get pregnant and a person has an abortion psychologicly you don't know how that will effect a girl for the rest of her life.

Obviously killing a baby isn't great. Best just to have the kid and again if you don't want it just adopt and then you will never have it weighing down on your conscience for the rest of your life.

So you want to outlaw abortion because you personally don't know how it's going to affect someone psychologically?

I'm not personally sure how posting here affects you psychologically, so probably best to ban you just to be sure. It's for your own good, we wouldn't want you to post something that you'll regret later.

Eh better to ban you I think

You didn't understand the analogy, did you?

Why is this divided into "democrats vs republicans"?

A quick search on Pew shows surveys that tells us that 41% of people who are Republicans or lean Republican are pro-choice, and when they divide it into the conservative wing vs the moderate wing, the numbers are 27% and 67% respectively.

If we go by the American public, 63% are pro-choice. That arrow also points upwards after Dobbs.

So if we're going by politics, it would seem straightforward that the ideological divide is between conservatives and moderates / liberals. Which is why the GOP is playing coy at the national level with their presidential candidate pretending he has nothing to do with the subject and abortion receiving very little time as a subject at the RNC. Meanwhile, to private audience their candidate brags that he made it possible through supreme court picks.

So, at the party level you have one party that is pro-choice and one party that would really, really, really like it if you didn't talk about abortion because right now it is a losing issue for them.

need more details when you define pro choice there, because "any abortion should be allowed up to the day before birth is due no question asked" is NOT THE SAME AS , in normal countries, first 12-15 weeks we let you abort no question asked.

But ofc americans stir the pot and deny the obvious, because too many democrats want to be able to keep abortion legal after 250 days on a whim. And you know that.

How old are you , 15 ?

Maximus122 will return to us in 3 days for misogynistic posts referring to women who seek abortions as “lazy sluts”. That language is totally unacceptable. Thank you

We can't know what sort of psychological impact posting on 2+2 was having on him, so it's for the best.

Do you know any case where at 250+ days , a woman decided to abort a viable baby ?
Post 20 weeks the abortion occur in less then 1% and when it happens it’s usually because it’s life threatening to the mother or something happens to the baby being non viable or extremely physically problematic.

FWIW
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late...n_of_pregnancy
Don’t forget bro , personal freedom is what matters even if it ends up killing other people by covid , remember those words from you ?
So don’t be a fascist toward abortion like those that favour “fascist ” policies for COVID trying to protect life …

Please, I’m begging Republicans to use these attacks in this election so that Kamala can have a 50 state sweep.

I’m just imagining this proverbial woman that gets an abortion in the third trimester for any reason except health of herself or the fetus.

But I imagine the best way to reduce third trimester abortions is to make prenatal care and abortions available as early on in the pregnancy as possible, as well as to offer more contraceptives, plan b, sex education, family planning services, and pregnancy tests. Just like they do in Europe

If the bold doesn't happen, then why are people against banning it as a legal possibility lol.

Why does Oregon allow for it, given they have contraceptives, plan b, sex education, easy abortion first trimester (and second...) and so on.

this is identical to the "surgery to minors with gender disphoria". If it never happens why are you against making it explicitly illegal.

If it happens, why do you deny it does?

It's simply indefensible to argue like that.

You understand that people in favour of no question asked abortion till birth actually claim that until birth the fetus has 0 rights ok? and the woman should be able to decide with 0 consideration for the fetus itself.

Defend that claim which is the claim used lol, if you can (not even roe defended that nonsense), not the "ehhh it doesn't happen anyway it's a strawman"