Who with all certainty can say a fertilized egg or zygote or fetus is not a human? Nah, I guess it's fine to roll the dice there and tear it out because someone doesn't want the responsibility of being a mother. I don't know how many people approach it that way though, it would be truly depraved to possibly kill someone in order to get out of being a parent.

The "Clump of cells" argument is the laziest bad faith argument that can be made as a justification for someone to be pro-abortion. The wheels are already in motion, and it's just a matter of time. You placed that rock at the top of the hill and now it's on its way down. Far more often than not, it will complete its journey.

We'll all respect you more if you just admit that you're okay with killing someone who can't fight back and has no family to mourn them. The spark of life was lit the moment those cells began to divide. You snuffing them out before they can voice an objection doesn't make it any less of a terrible thing to do.

I'm a pragmatist though, so I'm still in the "First one's free, but if you're back for number two, you're leaving the clinic sterilized" camp. If that pushes people to back alleys and rusty coat hangers, so be it. Hope your luck is better than your kid's.

Sure, it's just a matter of time until that being dies as well, just as every living thing does. Dying before an individual can feel any pain is a definite win in my book, which is why I support abortion despite not really liking it.

There are nihilists and then there is chillrob.

Ok my bad .
So you wouldn’t choose the baby but the 2 embryo in a tube ?
I wouldn’t .

I’m more of a realist advocate then a Schrödinger's cat hypothetical .
I base my life on what’s in front of me shrug.

That’s funny !
Let’s say girl at 22 end up in your fertilized camp .
How many potential life u just aborted yourself by default ?

It’s just a different line u trace in the sand but the concept is exactly the same !

U decide the human is at the spark of life and others says it’s when it’s actually a capable liveable being outside of the womb shrug .

If this was truly the case, then why arent our birthdates all 9 months earlier? If thats when life starts, it seems silly to celebrate your coming into this world 9 months after the fact

(As an aside it is interesting how we all are actually a year older than we think though since I say I'm 32 but Ive been alive for 33)

Of all the takes, that's definitely one of them.

the bold is how they count age in Korea (you start at one at birth)

Those sneaky Asians! So that's how they manage to look so young for their age.

Justices Thomas and Alito want to use a 'zombie law' to restrict abortion.

Comstock plan is not theoretical.
It’s an explicit component of Project 2025, the sweeping hyper-conservative,
right-wing Christian playbook ready for a second Trump administration to take up on Day 1.

Thomas and Alito signaled to anti-abortion forces that there are sympathetic ears
waiting to hear the right arguments for exhuming the corpse of this long-dead law.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...act-rcna145147

this just got changed to the international system in the last year or so i believe. they also used to be considered a year older on jan. 1st no matter when their birthday was, everyone just aged up on new years day.

Like all things in politics we really need to get the law more in line where mostly all of the country is which is close to center, which we can do if we start compromising instead of black/white policy. Make it permissible up to 10 weeks. I think it would be impossible to allow for instances of rape bc the process to prove that takes way longer and you'd potentially be setting up a scenario where men are getting accused so an abortion could happen. But there is the week limit that would help avoid those situations.

I have unfortunately had my gf back when we were 16 get an abortion and then a different gf did in my early 20s and I think about it often now what my life would be like if this didnt happen. It was their choice and I didnt disagree, but I dont think I would have objected if they wanted to have it. Now im 32 though and it feels like Im running out of time in a way as it will kinda suck if I end up passing away when my future kid isnt an adult. Or what if I keep having incompatible relationships and dont have a child. That would also suck. So maybe I do wish society really forced us to go thru with it.

Birth rates have really slowed which for sure is a problem. However its not that easy to afford to raise a family nowadays and ppl cant stay married for **** and so theres a lot as a society we need to get our act together. Can we though? Just listening to the political discourse can really bum me out to how moronic people have become and it seems like our stack is bleeding as a country.

Your "compromise" position is not allowing victims of rape to get an abortion?

and 10 weeks.. lol.. let's "compromise" and do a law that even most republicans aren't crazy enough to advocate for on a national scale but this guy thinks is a "center" position. rightwing media brain rot stuff.

the compromise was Roe.

finally. thx

Roe was a decision by a court (so definitionally not a compromise) predicated on a constitutional invention (there is no trace of any abortion right in the federal constitution which is why for 100+ years it was legal for states to regulate abortion) , which set the "compromise" at the highest week amount of any country in the west by a large margin.

that, in a country where the population clearly favors abortion less than in most other western countries (just check all polls on that).

you can get a compromise in the USA but it will probably be 10-12 weeks, that's what polls say.

and that is only if federal regulation of abortion is actually legal which it might not be at all under Dobbs

cross check your polls with actual elections if you want to see what people think about abortion.

abortion restrictions are getting crushed to the point where most republicans won't even back anything under a 15 week if they aren't in the deepest of red places. but yet we're still talking like the consensus is 10?

you vote for maaaaany things all together, same as when trump won in 2016 that didn't mean there were actual majorities behind every republican proposal.

you know the numbers for abortion in the USA, 85-90% are in favour at least for some exceptions, 55-60% against no question asked abortion even in the first trimester.

you might barely get a slight majority in favour of 10-12 weeks, or maybe 40% actually in favour 20% accepting it if after 12 weeks it's only for rare exceptions (this is the kind of compromise most countries in Europe got to, give or take a week or two)

if this were actually true then why aren't major national level republicans endorsing those numbers? most of them aren't even trying to commit to the 15 week ban, in fact im pretty sure most republican senators are scared they will lose if trump commits to a 15 week national ban so much they are advising him specifically NOT to talk about it. sure you can pretend they care about state's rights, but they certainly don't. they care about winning. and they know its not a winning issue.

Because of how primaries work, same reason why democrat politicians know that's the case but they can't propose anything under roe if they want to be the democrat candidate even in a purple state.

In primaries you have to propose what the median primary voter thinks.

You will see if I am right if in September, republicans start to say 10-12-15 weeks in purple districts/states

i don't understand what you are trying to say. why would republicans be scared of Trump coming out for a 15 week national abortion ban because of their own primaries?

and you think that republicans will try to campaign harder on abortion in purple states come november?

because they want to win primaries without having to discuss abortion, because anything they say to win primaries about that costs them in the general.

I think republicans will move to moderate positions in purple districts/states about abortion, when they feel it's needed to win

oh, the 10,12,15 were supposed to be "moderate" amounts. lol.. that's what confused me.

i sincerely hope republicans try for any ban let alone a 10, 12, or 15 week ban in general elections. that would be the best possible scenario for democrats. bring it front and center.

let's do it. put that 15 week abortion ban in the republican platform in bold print. let's see how this country votes on it. if the national consensus compromise is for something like 10-12 then republicans should obviously be trying to push at least 15.