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Old 05-30-2020, 10:04 PM   #826
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Re: framing the abortion debate

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A republic is a state not led by a monarch. That's why we have a president.

We're literally a representative democracy. Not a direct democracy of course.
But the idea was to have voters elect representatives and have those representatives bound by a constitution.

It's absolutely a type of democracy.
It just showed how facked up a country can become when public school and education isn’t a priority one ....

Lot of misconception are translated in electoral polls and create a distort society from the actual meaning or reality ....
Whether it’s science , economy , vocabulary, etc ....
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Old Yesterday, 07:18 AM   #827
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A republic is a state not led by a monarch. That's why we have a president.

We're literally a representative democracy. Not a direct democracy of course.
But the idea was to have voters elect representatives and have those representatives bound by a constitution.

It's absolutely a type of democracy.
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Old Yesterday, 07:22 AM   #828
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Re: framing the abortion debate

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Lot of misconception are translated in electoral polls and create a distort society from the actual meaning or reality ....
Whether it’s science , economy , vocabulary, etc ....
Huh?
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Old Yesterday, 01:57 PM   #829
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If Roe was overturned, then my understanding is that each state could construct their own anti-abortion laws.

Of course, any of those new laws could be found Unconstitutional for any number of reasons.
You are correct but what reasoning do you expect the court to use in its finding to “take back” a fundamental right? Do you think Roe could be deemed unconstitutional?

IMHO “Roe being overturned” probably will never happen. Roe and Casey could be minimized by expanding the state’s interests for the welfare of the fetus in the balancing test.
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Huh?
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It means the efficiency of a democracy is correlated with the education of its peoples.
More educated = better informed electorate = less Liar/imbecile in position of power = more efficient Democracy.

And the correlation is easily demonstrated where the votes go in the United States based on that .

In general
Facts , science, better income , etc = blue states
beliefs, religion , low income , etc = red states
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You are correct but what reasoning do you expect the court to use in its finding to “take back” a fundamental right? Do you think Roe could be deemed unconstitutional?

IMHO “Roe being overturned” probably will never happen. Roe and Casey could be minimized by expanding the state’s interests for the welfare of the fetus in the balancing test.
Abortion is not based on any "fundamental right" found explicitly in the Constitution.

Some cite a "right to privacy". Which I think is a cool idea. That way, one could exercise that right to refuse to tell the government how much money one makes, which would basically put an end to the Income Tax.

On the other hand, a "right to life" is fundamental to ANY and ALL decent societies.
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Old Yesterday, 11:35 PM   #832
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Re: framing the abortion debate

The real question is

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Old Yesterday, 11:37 PM   #833
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And I assume lagtight is out there protesting fertility clinics too. Lots of fertilized eggs there just being frozen until they expire or get flushed. So so many flushed humans.
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Old Yesterday, 11:37 PM   #834
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Maybe fertilized eggs are only humans when they’re inside a woman? I dunno tho! Science!
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Re: framing the abortion debate

If you think about it, medical researchers have killed Henrietta Lacks roughly eleventy billion times, some of you pro-life dudes should be more worried about that. Is it a genocide if you mass murder the same person over and over? So complicated.
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The real question is

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I give up, why?

(Just kidding)

God can't "murder." Murder is "wrongful killing", and for God to wrongfully kill something, there would have to be a moral standard that He is Himself subject to. If there was such a standard, He wouldn't be God.

Having said that, a god could theoretically declare "I (god) am morally forbidden from killing fertilized eggs", and then violate his own decree by killing fertilized eggs.

It gets very confusing at some point....
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Time for some SCIENCE!

The following quote is from a book titled, BEFORE WE ARE BORN: ESSENTIALS OF EMBRYOLOGY AND BIRTH DEFECTS (8th edition),
by Drs. Keith L. Moore, T.V.N. Persaud, and Mark G. Torchia.

From the section, "Introduction to Human Embryology":

"Human development begins when an oocyte (ovum) from a female is fertilized by a sperm (spermatozoon) from a male. Development involves many changes that transform a single cell, the zygote (fertilized ovum) into a multicellular human being. Embryology is concerned with the origin and development of a human being from a zygote to birth."

(Emphasis added)

So, a zygote is technically a "human being" according to the SCIENCE of Embryology.
A young earth creationist using "SCIENCE" to back up his bigoted religious views might be some of the funniest **** I ever saw. How has nobody called you out on this yet?
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