Is it your position that a woman should have the legal right to abort her baby at 32 weeks?

This isn’t a thing. At 32 weeks it’d just be called delivery.

I know you’re old and stupid but try to at least keep the plot within the realm of reality.

Lagtight, if I believe in the balancing of state's interests vs the mother's rights, what do you think?

Lagtight is including a third party in his calculations.

You're cute when you commit elementary logical fallacies!

I know I'm almost a week late, but will you be my Valentine?

What does a young Earth creationist homophobe actually know about logic?

I have a degree in Philosophy, and taught Logic at two community colleges.

What are your credentials, sweetie?

I am indeed a YEC, but I am not a homophobe.

Wow community college, good for you!

I went to one of the highest ranked Universities in the world, understand how carbon dating works, and don’t call homosexuals “pervert reprobates”. Sweetie.

Doesn't surprise me, you're a smart gal.

+1

Man, this ****’s getting creepy.

There is no legal third party.

If the state itself is not considered a "party", then you are correct in my opinion.

The parties, as I see them, are the woman and the unborn.

I think that only adds up to two.

What makes you say that?
Edit: sorry I misread legal as legit but it doesn't change the question

Quite so!

An earlier post jjjou812 seemed to suggest to me that the balance of interests were between the state and the rights of the woman.

Lag tight,

Why, in you opinion, is conception the proper line in the sand? It is not scientifically sound and you don't appear to be a stalwart "sanctify of life" person if you advocate for the rape and incest exceptions.

When is the scientifically sound point at which people become people? When they have the ability to recognize themselves in the mirror?
And then the other question is: what is the scientifically sound point in which a mass of cells or whatever becomes a human? And is the distinction between person vs human important?

Well, it definitely seems legally important.

Scientifically, Categorization is important only insomuch as it gives people a common framework to experiment, communicate and think about things. But it isn’t important in any absolute sense.

Conception: day 1 +\- hours
Viability: 24 weeks +\- 1-2 weeks
Birth and personhood: 9 months +\- 1-14 days

No marsupials, no mirrors. Pretty easy to pick a line.

Why choose arbitrary cutoffs? Crossnerd called a third trimester abortion a tragedy. Why should a 20 week abortion be simply a nagging inconvenience?

I mean, it doesn't really matter in her world since she's convinced that women are so morally pure that they'd never opt for a third trimester abortion unless it was absolutely medically necessary and so I guess it would follow that they'd also all have a perfectly calibrated moral compass to make the determination of when a second trimester abortion was morally justified, but for those of us who're a bit more skeptical of human nature it seems like you'd want to establish a graduated scale of harm.


First x weeks = freebie abortion
x-13 weeks = means tested coat hanger tax (paid by the father if paternity is identified)
13-26 weeks = some additional penalty for each passing week (paid by the woman)

why is it such a egregious thing to say? It makes sense in a vacuum

What makes it easy? I really am fond of the mirror idea fwiw which also means we get to talk about dolphins and chimps.
And the problem with the birth idea means that marsupials are brought back into the equation. I'm going to guess that in Australia marsupials are protected--which means you couldn't kill a joey when you could kill a human at an even more advanced state. That would seem to be wrong. (Yep they are protected)

What do mirror tests test? Chimps, dolphins and elephants pass, dogs and cats don't. Is the mirror test a reliable mark of self-awareness?

Even human children under the age of two don’t initially recognise their reflections; like most other species, they react as if seeing another child, one who seems bent on playing a novel form of hide-and-seek. But, at least for most children raised in Western societies, something changes at about age two, and they begin to understand that they are looking at themselves. (It helps that their parents likely often hold them in front of mirrors, playfully asking: ‘Who is that? … That’s you!’) At this age, neuropsychologists say that the structure and function of children’s prefrontal cortex also begins to mature, and they begin to perceive the ‘self’ as a separate being. Two-year-old toddlers also begin to use personal pronouns, play self-consciously, and smile when they succeed at solving challenging tasks – all signs that they are becoming self-aware.

Article on all things mirror test related with plenty of ev. psych stuff that Kelhus might like. I'm frequently carrying this 9 month old into the bathroom to see if she's actually sleeping or not when she's on my shoulder, but at that point--even if her eyes are still open she's usually out of it enough to not react to the mirror.

Let us know when you impose the penalities for murder and prison time for the woman and the medical providers. Of course, the heartbeat bills put those penalties in the first half of your coat hanger tax time period.