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The difference is that one is deceptive by design and the other is not. You are indeed free to continue using your wicked deception. Or we could have a rational debate using the terminology of (pro- or anti-) abortion-rights. This is not a religion forum. The political/legal issue is abortion rights.

Fair enough.

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05-04-2020 , 03:11 PM

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How about this:

"When ought it be legally permissible to terminate a living organism that has the DNA of a homosapian?"

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05-04-2020 , 03:12 PM

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Out of curiosity, what are your views on euthanasia, and briefly, why?

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05-04-2020 , 03:15 PM

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Out of curiosity, what are your views on euthanasia, and briefly, why?

I don't want to derail this thread. If you start a euthanasia thread, I will participate.

I don't have a firm position on that topic .

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05-04-2020 , 03:16 PM

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I don't want to derail this thread. If you start a euthenasia thread, I will participate.

I don't have a firm position on that topic .

Well, it's sort of relevant, as there are some parallels that can be drawn, no?

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05-04-2020 , 03:17 PM

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Well, it's sort of relevant, as there are some parallels that can be drawn, no?

I agree it's relevant somewhat, but I don't want to discuss it in THIS thread.

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05-04-2020 , 03:19 PM

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Since this is a POLITICS thread, I will endeavor to focus on that aspect of the abortion issue.

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05-04-2020 , 03:21 PM

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That's an interesting definition of choice you have there. It also appears you believe myths about abortion.

My sources are counselors who have counseled women who have had abortions.

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05-04-2020 , 03:23 PM

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Well yeah, but religious zealotry permeates every aspect of American politics, and possibly none more so than this one, so any discussion of the motivations behind opposition to abortion would necessitate a discussion of religious beliefs.

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05-04-2020 , 03:28 PM

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How about this:

"When ought it be legally permissible to terminate a living organism that has the DNA of a homosapian?"

Or how about this--If I go dust off my fb acct I could point out to you numerous 'pro-life' Rs I grew up with who I know for an absolute fact have had/paid for multiple abortions. Why should they be able to lecture me/the rest of us on morality(0+vasectomy after 2 kids)? By their own definition they're 'serial killers' so forgive me for not trusting their judgement

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05-04-2020 , 03:29 PM

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How about this:

"When ought it be legally permissible to terminate a living organism that has the DNA of a homosapian?"

Let's not beat around the bush and just get to the pertinent point, which I have already given my opinion on in this thread (iirc). I think for abortion rights, termination of a pregnancy after conception should be legally permissible and terminating a pregnancy just before birth should not (with compelling medical reasons excepted). I don't know precisely where the cutoff should be and defer to medical experts.

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05-04-2020 , 03:30 PM

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For the record, I confess to being a zealot for Jesus Christ.

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05-04-2020 , 03:31 PM

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For the record, I confess to being a zealot for Jesus Christ.

Yeah, buddy, that ain't news.

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05-04-2020 , 03:31 PM

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I agree it's relevant somewhat, but I don't want to discuss it in THIS thread.

Well it does go directly to the question you posed.

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05-04-2020 , 03:36 PM

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"Some professing vegans secretly eat scrambled eggs for breakfast.

"Therefore, what these hypocrite vegans have to say about the health benefits of veganism should be summarily ignored."

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05-04-2020 , 03:40 PM

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yeah, assuming that's all you know about them, get your info about veganism health benefits somewhere else, in my opinion. Is that not like duh obvious. You don't go anti-veganism just because of it either, which may be what you are implying.

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05-04-2020 , 03:41 PM

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"Some professing vegans secretly eat scrambled eggs for breakfast.

"Therefore, what these hypocrite vegans have to say about the health benefits of veganism should be summarily ignored."

More like--do as I say not as I do. I think I'm so special I should be able to force people to follow rules I couldn't follow myself. Not 1 thing is stopping you or them from adding zero to the total.

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05-04-2020 , 03:42 PM

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Well it does go directly to the question you posed.

You're right. My response was before I proposed my resolution.

I will shortly propose a slightly modified resolution to keep the focus on abortion.

Edit:. I messed up the timeline in this thread. Hard to do this on my phone. Will post later.

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05-04-2020 , 03:57 PM

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Revised Proposed Question:

"When ought it be legally permissible to terminate the life of a living organism in the womb of a homosapian if the organism has the DNA of a homosapian."

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05-04-2020 , 03:58 PM

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Revised Proposed Question:

"When ought it be legally permissible to terminate the life of a living organism in the womb of a homosapian if the organism has the DNA of a homosapian."

Lol at you trying to sound all smart. What other DNA would it have?

Edit: since you want to get all technical and ****, it's "**** sapien". With an E. And a space. And capitalised.

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05-04-2020 , 03:59 PM

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Will continue discussing this tonight or tomorrow.

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05-04-2020 , 04:02 PM

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Lol at you trying to sound all smart. What other DNA would it have?

Corona Virus.

See ya!

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05-04-2020 , 04:09 PM

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My sources are counselors who have counseled women who have had abortions.

That wasn't the part I was disputing.

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05-04-2020 , 07:59 PM

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Killing animals for food is fine. Many animals were created for that purpose.
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What do you think is the difference in average IQs or other measures of intelligence, between those who are quite sure that the above is true and those who are quite sure it isn't?

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05-04-2020 , 08:52 PM

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What do you think is the difference in average IQs or other measures of intelligence, between those who are quite sure that the above is true and those who are quite sure it isn't?

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