Wait, these guys?

https://www.c-ville.com/militia-men-...done-violence/

Hahahha. Hahahahhahaha. Are you for real?

I can't speak for the counter-protesters, but as for the protesters, even if you show up to a nazi rally by accident, you probably realise real quick and skedaddle once they start chanting nazi slogans and doing other nazi ****. If you choose to hang around, you might have a little nazi streak going yourself, don't you think?

The question about the ACLU is a total red herring. Criminal defense attorneys are not "pedophilia and murder sympathisers", even though they defend pedophiles and murderers in court.

What way is that?

Are you saying the ACLU aren't very nice people due to their defence of neo nazis and that every single person there agreed with the same things rather than other things such as right to assemble etc, which is the epitome of a free nation?

Exactly. Now you're getting it and same applies to ACLU and non nazi militias who believe in the right to assemble and freedom of speech. Which is why the ACLU question is nothing remotely approaching a red herring

Real as raindrops mate. I don't even know why America has militias they seem like a bunch of kooks to me but not all of them are supremacist kooks.

So these "non-nazi militias" (lol) just show up to nazi protests to ensure that the nazis have the right to assemble? Whom are these non nazis protecting the nazis against? Counter-protesters?

So anyway, are these non-nazi militias the "good people" on the protesters' side which Trump was referring to, in your view?

Yeah. CV's ACLU counterexample is terrible. In his example, the ACLU obviously was supporting the right to speak, not the message. There is no evidence that these militia groups were attempting to support the right to speak as opposed to the message.

The answer to that is 'no, go f*ck yourself'.

What you are doing is demanding something while saying 'i will not give anything for what I ask'.

And we know why. I explained the game.

If you define what you WOULD consider racist and then someone finds an example you are cornered. Proof has been given.

If you refuse to offer even the slightest definition then what ever is found you can examine and dance around looking for any out.

You are demanding people submit to a game where you demand the actions and also set the rules.

Discussion is give and take. Not you demanding 'go get what I demand but do not ask anything of me in return.'

It's like debating something is beneath you. You want people to create standards on something they haven't seen, yet. It doesn't work that way. You looking for a foolproof way, for an easy gotcha. Asking for a detailed standards list is just pathetic.

How about you just post something and explain why you think it's racist, and allow people to agree, or disagree, then debate.

I posted an entire list of things that trump has done.

Baby steps corpus, baby steps. At least now you acknowledge trump definitely wanted to murder protesters.

ya, NO.

As i said, everyone know the game that you demand people play.

Conversation and debate are give and take.

In politics it was learned long ago that you never want to put out out platforms and solutions. Let the other do it and pick that apart. That is far easier.

You guys want to act as critique while offering nothing back.

So the answer again is 'go f*ck yourself' if you are not interested in discussion. Discussion is GIVE and TAKE, not you give so I can sit and pick it apart.

Trup said himself he wasn't referring to neo nazis and you evidently haven't read the transcripts of the entire PC I helpfully provided... twice

"Lol?" I take it you mean both militias are lying when they condemn white supremacy & racism and their non white non Christian members are merely... crisis actors?
Here's what the Southern Poverty law center say about anti government militias
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...antigovernment
Those evil militias clearly co-opted the SPLC to go along with their nefarious hidden nazism
I mean the only other explanation is that not all militias are racist...which must be a lie because TRUUUUMP!!

There are two arguments here.
1 Trump called for the murder of black people on twitter
When that was shown to be untrue the goalpost was moved to he really meant that.

2 Then the false claim was put forward that Trump praised the neo nazis by claiming fine people on both sides.

When the transcript was provided where he denies that and claims the neo nazis should be condemned "totally" then the goalposts got moved again to he really meant that.

So it's pointless continuing with this, as yet again the argument is Trump said that because he said it and meant it because he meant it and we don't need no stinkin' evidence to support our claims cuz we're right because we're right.

So I tell you what- you guys believe what you want to believe due to your partisanship and I'll continue objectively evaluating things on their merits...fair enough?

Aaaaw. There there. It's okay.



Except I already did. On the AA thread, before confirmation came to light re the M's being scummy racists, I asked if M sr's LE record could be unearthed, if he disproportionately targeted back people, or if any online comments could be found from either of them... which is not a particularly unreasonable thing to ask for.

Re use of the word thug as a racist dog whistle I cited the murder of Jordan Davis as a valid example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jordan_Davis

I also said I considered the Amy Cooper affair in central park as racism. I also consider Svitlana Flom as a racist incident
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/02/white...ench-12790961/

Not my problem you haven't read my posts but hope that clears things up for you.

Anyway you were saying something about Trump calling for the murder of black people on twitter because he really meant that because he's he's Trump? Or something??

Like I said think what ya like mate and I'll continue to do the same.

Lmfao is that all you got? You were the one whinging at me, wailing that I went to bat for the McMichaels which is utterly untrue. Don't make up a bunch of easily disproved lies about me and I won't have to effortlessly debunk your lying crap. Fair enough?

So many sh*t posters going around in circles. Don't you have a SO to argue with?

Indeed and I already pointed out yonks ago that we were going around in circles due to several posters here quite frankly flogging a dead horse with their endless cult like repetitious mantra re Trump's use of the word thugs which was debunked several times over. They're simply engaging in proof by assertion. It's why I told them to think what they like. They will anyway. It doesn't make them right but eh, long as they're happy, that's the important thing.

It's pretty simple really.

1. I don't believe Trump when he says he wasn't referring to neo-nazis. He lies all the time, his word isn't worth ****.
2. I don't believe that a militia which goes around supporting neo-nazis are not nazi sympathisers, despite what their leader says. Also, if you look at the Wikipedia article for the ones you linked, they participate in a lot of anti-Islamic activity, so your definition of "not racist" here might be rather narrow, as usual.

In any case, in the most generous interpretation to Trump, we're assuming that Trump was referring to anti-government militias as "very fine people", yes? In which case, if there were two "sides", these "fine people" are on the nazis' "side", yes?

.
1. Yeah I know you don't. you're going to think this about him no matter what. Never mind what he actually said or his condemnation several times over of neo nazis, racism, white supremacy and bigotry. He didn't really mean those things because he's racist and is racist because he's Trump.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm again going by what he actually said, such as the "not all of them were neo nazis" part. (which of course he's lying about due to being racist because he's Trump)

2 Yeah I know you don't believe that. See point number one. Again you're gonna think this no matter what. SPLC are wrong too as the militias are racist, every single one of them and are so because Trump mentioned fine people on both sides and Trump's a racist cuz he's Trump ergo the militias are racist because Trump endorsed them because he's racist because he's Trump and circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works.

I get you. I disagree with you but I get you. So it's all good mate, think whatever way you wish to think.

@ d2_e4

Sorry, I meant to address your comment re the militia and anti Islamic thing. From the wiki link:

This group clearly have a thing for the first amendment, as in the amendment which protects freedom of religion as well as peaceful assembly. You're seriously, seriously reaching here, alleging they're Islamophobic, racists or neo nazis. But as I said think what you like, your mind is already made up, so far be it from me to change your belief system.

But the claims that Trump called for the murder of black people on twitter and that he praised neo-nazis with his both sides comment are rejected for being patently false. No matter how many times the same two points get endlessly repeated. So we'll leave it at that and focus on Mr Floyd's murder and the ensuing protests and riots as well as the eventual trial, instead.

Dude, it was stated upthread already. If you're marching with a torch chanting something like Jews won't take my place. You're probably a Nazi.
Unless the protest is taking place somewhere in Palestine. Then you have a decent argument that the Jews are literally trying to take your place.

I know mate because it just does, meaning Trump called for the murder of black people on twitter, I hear ya

My point was you spend way too much time "defending yourself" instead of letting it go. And it makes you look bad. You don't even understand why and you went off on your longest post ever on me. You simply don't get it and you never will. You care way too much about the wrong things. I have been genuine and sincere with you from the start. It is you who are getting up in arms about the same thing, over and over...

You go to bat for the McMichaels every time you continue to make the argument that race did not play a factor in the crime they committed. We had an honest conversation about that, you and I, but you can't seem to stop talking about it. You ended up being proven very, very wrong about it and I maintained throughout the entire time that you really don't know what you're talking about, you're just trying to inject yourself into a world you've literally never set foot in and know nothing about. I LIVED IN IT. You are clueless. Your basic retort is NO U and that I have an agenda and again, you are clueless

I made a living playing online poker. Running a business. Owning real estate. The thread I'm arguing with you in have posters who are (correctly) aligning with me and, maybe disrespectfully, trying to explain to you what you are incorrect about. And you continue to stammer like a lawyer out of bullets resorting to pounding the table. Those same posters are currently on Unstuck Politics talking about how I, a landlord, should be ****ing abolished

You are ****ing oblivious beyond all belief. Go read my posts in the conservative principles thread and make note I have no agenda. Just a high IQ brain that can think for himself and not lose his **** when reading UP or 22 while JuanValdez calls me a latte sipping, Prius driving, low T beta male pussy. Never mind I weigh 200 and can bench nearly 300 and have been an athlete all my life. Try listening with an interest in breaking down your own way of thinking before just waiting your turn to blow our minds by repeating yourself with the same nonsense that has left you roundly mocked for the past weeks

There, that is my honest, sincere response. I'm sorry it pisses you off that I'm criticizing you. I have considered criticism of me and that abolish the landlords thread has made me reconsider a lot. I don't agree with it, nor do I agree with the idea that capitalism can't function without racism, but that doesn't mean I'm going to lose my ****, stammer and yell that they're wrong. Question everything, always, you are not infallible. There is nothing wrong with taking an L. I've have taken plenty, trust me. I tried to help you at first but now I give up

Yeah and you look awesome making false claims about others, really paints you in a good light.

Oh I do it was over you making false claims that I went to bat for the McMichaels.
Until you went into the whole making false claims thing

Never made that argument, there y'go making $hyt up again. Cite where I ever asserted it wasn't racist instead of stating that at the time the evidence wasn't sufficient to make that call. Time and time again I've linked what I said over and over. yet still you persist Do you see now how you engage in sheer cognitive dissonance?
Except I wasn't as yet again I never once claimed it wasn't racist. Cite where I did. Nor was I proven wrong that Trump called for black people to be murdered as this just didn't happen and I'm rejecting the endlessly repeated justification for this demonstrably false claim.


No problem with critique, have a problem with people making false claims the way you did and are right now with your latest post.

The truth is easy to defend. If you need to lie to make a case for whatever it is you're trying to make, then you don't have a case.

This is getting old with corpus vile clogging up ever thread being a racist apologist, racist sympathizer or whatever else you want to call it.

A black person gets kill, a thread gets made and corpus vile shows up with his "them white people be good" schtick over and over.

In this black person gets killed George Floyd thread AND also in the black person gets killed Arbery thread there have been an enormously large amount of corpus vile posts showing sympathy for those poor white people. This crap needs to stop. And he was kinda told to give it a rest in the Arbery thread, so now he is in this thread with the same junk. His posts are nothing but repetitive trolling in threads where a black person got killed. If there are any 2+2 standards left, clogging up multiple threads about a black person getting killed, has corpus vile crossing a line.