(mod note: excised from the George Floyd thread)

Trump did call for the murder of black People on his Twitter.

Keep me on ignore. I never gave you permission to take me off.

Lol no he didn't cite verbatim where he said"I call for the murder of black people" otherwise stfu.

Why are you defending Trump though? Does it matter if he didn't actually call for the murder of black people.
I mean it does sound pretty unlikely but I've always known Markksman to be a completely reasonable poster so if he said it it must be true.

I'm not a fan of Trump but he never said that, end of story. If one wishes to condemn him, they've plenty of stupid comments he did actually say to justify this without having to resort to actual lying.
Lmao, good one.

You're really not good at discerning obvious racism irt American current events.

I'm not going to argue with you about the Irish stabbing because you know the culture better than I do. Why don't you give us a little of the same courtesy ?

You're at risk for digging your heels in again and last time Well Named had to come bail you out. There's no reason for it to become a habit.

Already been covered in the the other thread. I'm not interested in what you believe he said but only what he actually said.
The claim that he called for the murder of black people is a flat out lie and the claim that his use of the word thug to describe white and black rioters and any other race who happened to be rioting, really meant he was calling for the murder of black people is laughably dim and the assumption that only black people were rioting is racist. Cite where he said "I call for the murder of black people". Won't hold my breath for you or anyone else to provide this verbatim quote as we all know he never said it. Those who claim this at best are engaging in really stupid hyperbole and at worst are deliberately lying because they dislike Trump or else in order to race bait.

So we're gonna have to agree to disagree as we both know none of you can provide the quote to back up your blatant falsehood and we'll end up going around in circles again,. And no, a mod telling you all to give the "dumb trolling" a rest isn't bailing anyone out, it's simply and correctly admonishing dumb trolls on their dumb trolling, bye now.

Dude. You really gotta stop. You keep going to bat for the McMichaels and Trump and it's just terrible optics the way you're so vigorous about it...

Everyone is aware of your posting wrt the before and after of the giant sign saying RACIST that presented itself thanks to the testimony of the third guy

Trump referred to the looters as THUGS in his tweet. This may or may not be in the form of a racist dog whistle, because obviously White people are looting too. But Trump is a noted racist. He cannot deny his history to back that up. So choosing THUGS in a tweet will pretty much make any one of us minorities to squint at a minimum. The rest are done bothering to figure it out. The guy's a ****ing racist and he really just doesn't give a **** about persons of color

He openly stated that when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Do you really think he's not talking about minorities?

In Charlottesville, when overtly racist, egregious pieces of **** chanted "Jews will not replace us" he went straight to the good people on both sides, hypersonically tone deaf rhetoric

Here is a hint: He's not going to say verbatim "I personally don't give a **** about minorities and if they get killed."

Instead, he'll throw paper towel rolls into a crowd of Puerto Ricans in a hellish plight...

And go to Alabama and hug tornado victims.

Again, the point is his actions, his rhetoric, his tweets, his words...It's the same **** over and over. He views people as beneath him in general, but if you can't see beyond that and note his view of Africa as opposed to Norway, then I'm sorry but you're blind

No.You need to stop. Stop claiming that words are whatever you decide them to mean and stop willfully ignoring that there were plenty of white looters, simply to further your political agenda. I never once went to bat for the McMichaels and stated they should be done on first degree murder, right from the start regardless of your revisionism, despite the fact that I linked what I said a bazillion times over due to you and others sheer cognitive dissonance. Here it is yet again

And stop lying I "went to bat for the Mcmichaels" when this is what I said about them:
I can keep this up forever and will continue to do so each and every time you and others lie about and misrepresent what I said.

Trump never called for the murder of black people end of story and a lie repeated often enough does not become the truth regardless of what certain nutty Austrians and Germans babbled back in the day. Now staple what I said on your thigh or something that way you can always read what was actually said instead of what you think I said, that way you can look down on it before engaging in your revisionism of what I said.

Yes I get that you think someone being born in 1956 in Georgia is a "giant sign saying RACIST", it's why I disagree with you. And no- after evidence came to light I fully acknowledged it was a hate crime murder- just as I said I would from the start.
By your rationale, I should assert the Carragiline stabbing was a racially motivated crime simply because the attacker was black and the victim white. Which is stupid.

Yeah so it wasn't a racist dog whistle due to the white looters. End of story and claiming he meant[ he wanted the murder of black people is a contemptible odious lie and only highlights you and others inability to understand words and your dishonesty.

. I don't know whether he is or isn't although I do think that's quite possible. However, black conservatives who would understand a helluva lot more than than you regarding racism against black people don't seem to think he is so it's debatable and subjective to say the least.




Neither do some commentators


We're going around in circles again as Obama also referred to rioters as thugs and I'm quite sure some of those rioters were black also.
A) I really think he was talking about looters and rioters of any race. You don't because you don't, it's more important for you to assert he meant ONLY black people due to your dislike of him and your clearly lockstep political stance, rather than actually thinking for yourself.
B) how do you even know he meant shooting by the police only? During the LA riots there were Korean business owners defending their property with guns up on roofs. ITT there was video footage of black business owners defending their property with forearms. You think they were only for show and they or the Koreans in LA weren't going to use them against looters, regardless of the looters races?

Except he didn't and yet again this was already covered. Here's the entire transcript of that PC
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...sides-remarks/
Here's what he said about the neo nazis
Re the both sides comment here's what he said:
As well as this:
Here's what he said about the El Paso shooting
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...143126894.html

Here's another hint. Learn what context means, you already falsely claimed his both sides comments meant nazis without bothering with the context of what he actually said and you're doing the exact same thing here. I get that you dislike the prick. But stop falsely claiming he called for the murder of black people cuz that's just plain bs.


You don't gaf about words and their meaning. You only care what you can infer from them, again due to you having lockstep political views instead of independent thought.You just proved this several times in your post with your falsehood regarding both sides and your flat out lie that I "went to bat for the McMichaels".

Trump never called for the murder of black people and it's completely dishonest to claim he did. So again we'll agree to disagree as no matter what, you're simply gonna claim he meant that anyway...because he just did. This type of disingenuous crap gives progressives a bad name, I gotta say.
But think what ya like, you will anyway.

You keep telling us you're not a racist so I have to ask.
What is your point in demanding absurd standards of proof that racism is involved when Americans can clearly see that it is.

Asking for a friend.

cv going totally hard in the paint again on racist defense.

huge surprise. totally coincidental and with nor large meaning..

Show me where I've defended any racists. Otherwise not interested in your trolling

is this one of those, "how can i be accused of defending someone that is racist because i personally have come to the conclusion that no one is racist."

Only in your world is it an absurd standard of proof. But you think something's racist "because it just is" which is a seriously absurd standard. And this was already covered anyway, the poster went from claiming Trump called for something to backtracking and claiming he really meant it. And engaged in selective perception of looters when doing so.

So you can't cite where I defend racists, m'kay.

trump is a racist. you posting a random youtubez of 1 african american spokesman saying he isnt, doesn't outweigh the dozens of examples over the years of him being racist, nor does it eliminate the things he's done as president.

i know it's hard for 2+2ers to understand that there is more to racism than hitting people of color or shouting the n word, but there is.

"The first known use of the phrase was in a press conference held by Miami's police chief, Walter Headley, on December 26, 1967. Headly announced that six three-man teams of officers equipped with "shotguns and dogs" would respond to the "young hoodlums" from "Negro districts" in Miami with lethal force[1][11] and stated "his men have been told that any force, up to and including death, is proper when apprehending a felon".[12] In a pithy soundbite during the post-statement interview with reporters, Headley claimed that Miami had avoided "civil uprising and looting" because he had "let the word filter down that when the looting starts, the shooting starts."[1][13][14]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_t...hooting_starts

Just remember when you get your butt kicked again and start playing the victim that you're doing this knowingly.

CV, you need to stay far away from giving Trump the benefit of the doubt with respect to his reaction re Charlottesville. That rally was organized by white supremacists. In the United States, random white people don't just wander into protests organized by white supremacists. Your starting assumption should be that everyone who was there was either an overt racist or a counter-protester.

There is a reason that white supremacists in the United States were thrilled with Trump's response.

I'm going by what he said,plain and simple and have already stated (which I'll probably have to link a bazillion times over) that I reckon it's quite possible he is a racist. But he didn't call for the murder of black people nor did he mean that when referring to rioters of all races. When he condemns white supremacy he's a racist, it seems. When black conservatives opine he's not a racist, they're ignored for having their own opinion as from certain segments of the left it seems that black people having their own opinions is anathema as they apparently regard black people as a monolithic entity who all think alike.

A) I never got my butt kicked and several got pulled up over their "dumb trolling" but whatever makes you feel better
B) Nice revisionism. From your own link:
Which is no different than white and black people taking advantage of BLM protests and the very pertinent and valid issue of excessive police force/brutality to engage in opportunistic criminality such as arson looting and rioting.

You can engage in as many mental gymnastics ad reaching as ya like. See my comments re nutty Austrians and Germans thinking that lies become truth when repeated ad nauseam

Corpus, I was going to bat a little bit for you before in the Arbery thread, but you totally lost me with your "Trump is not a racist" take. Quite frankly, I have no idea how someone can possibly think that, given the voluminous piles of evidence to the contrary.

Well, you could make an argument that he is just an opportunist who caters to racists. Evidence for this is how he interacts with black celebrities who give him any positive feedback, such as Kanye a couple years ago.

But you could also counter-argue it is a distinction without a difference.

So in your narrow mind "young hoodlums" from "Negro districts" in Miami = black and white people ?

Again, I ask you, why are you arguing these absurd positions ?

It's only natural that people are going to start thinking you're making excuses for racists because only racists would cling to nonsensical positions like you do.

And fwiw you're the one repeating the big lie here.

Lol I knew I'd have to relink. But to have to do so a mere three posts up from what you said is quite something.
Here y'go
[QUOTE]I don't know whether he is or isn't although I do think that's quite possible[/QUOTE]
Oh and here
I challenged the false claim that Trump "Called for the murder of African Americans"

Now the goalposts are being moved to whether or ot he's a racist?

Never said he wasn't a racist, please feel free to cite where I did say that. I'm simply not race obsessed like seemingly most of the American posters itt so don't see racism at the drop of a hat. It's the same reason I'm not automatically asserting the Carrigiline stabbing was racist and responded to a poster who strongly intimated it was a race related attack simply due to the races involved.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2681

To which I responded:
Along with: I'm consistent in my reasoning and don't display inconsistency due to blindly adhering to a political position

So again I never once stated Trump isn't a racist, the way people here continue to falsely assert he called for the murder (execution was another word used) of black people due to his condemnation of rioters in general.

I'd respectfully appreciate that you take the time to read what I actually wrote, cheers.

Hey I interact with Kanye cuz he's a good mate of mine!

Oh wait you meant The Orange One, my bad

Not at all I'm saying in most legit protests you get those taking advantage of such things whether it's the Black Block at G8 protests or looters and rioters at George Floyd protests and this wasn't black districts in Miami it was black white and probably Asian and Native American people protesting, the majority of them peaceful but some of whom were simply there to take advantage of the protest to engage in opportunistic criminality. These are the people that Trump called thugs just as Obama did when referring to rioters and these are who he meant with his looting & shooting remark. Was this a poor taste and potentially irresponsible remark? Absolutely. Was it a call to kill black people? Hellz no. But believe what you like mate, you will anyway...because you just will

Maybe one day I'll adopt the "it is because it just is" mentality and then I'll seem less absurd to you. I can dream...

People like you, you mean, full of presumption anyway and who deliberately ignore what people said in order to support their presumption. Oh noes...
No, nonsensical is claiming Trump called for the murder of black people and insisting this when he didn't. And then doing mental gymnastics and ignoring the facts to continue with such a nonsensical stance.

No you. I haven't lied once itt or any other thread, unlike you who kept insisting I was asserting Mr Arbery's killing wasn't racist when I never said that either. Revisionists gonna revision, liars gonna lie and trolls gonna troll...