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just for scope what would u consider "fairly high end"? the second tier country club in my third tier city is around 35k to join with 10-12k annuals, and i wouldn't consider that near "high end".

i would assume in most cases the higher the fees the less the tolerance..

Looks like membership is from 75-100k.

From googling around there are definitely more expensive ones (one that is 300k), but it's going to be up there.

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07-27-2023 , 04:23 PM

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Dunyain

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I wonder how much of it is just a myth though. Purely anecdotal of course but my dad is a black member of a fairly high end country club. They live there, he was on the HOA board. I'm quite certain they have Jews and Catholics too. Probably no trans though

I am going to hazard a guess the high end Los Angeles Country clubs (which are probably on the higher end when it comes to cost and exclusivity) are over-represented by Jews for obvious reasons, and this hasn't been any issue at all for probably the last 100 years.

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07-28-2023 , 10:54 AM

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If you guys want to talk about the politics of country clubs then you should possibly start a breakaway thread. Maybe start your own '1%er' subforum or something.

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My post wasn't about words. It was about the fact that some people are more bothered by stuff than they let on. One of hundreds of examples might be the fact that many people believe the precepts of Islam. A fact that undoubtedly bothers some people who say they are unbothered. (I am not talking about the precepts themselves. I am saying they are bothered that such people exist.)

It might not have been intended to be about words but when you're trying to split the hair that exists between 'accept' and 'tolerate' you're going to have to tolerate/accept the fact that working out and agreeing exactly what we mean by accept and tolerate is going to be a big part of the discussion. And it is not at all clear in what situations we could say that we tolerate but do not accept something, nor when we accept but do not tolerate something.

If I were to proffer my own definitions it would be that to accept refers to when we know something to be true, and that to tolerate means that we'd rather it weren't true.

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07-30-2023 , 07:53 PM

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accept with no judgment is the only way, but go to Nineveh nonetheless, but do not pitch the tent in your pants towards Sodom.

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07-30-2023 , 08:04 PM

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Schlitz mmmm

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'She's got a little mind.'

do you accept or tolerate that?

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09-03-2023 , 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I think many of the recent controversies can be traced back to the fact that the two words are not quite the same thing, but many people often pretend that they are. But the fact is that to accept a person, thought, or idea means that you don't think it's bad or wrong even if you don't completely agree. You on the other hand will tolerate stuff (meaning you aren't expending effort to change it) even if you do think it's bad. That might be because you don't think it's THAT bad. Or it might be that you do think it's that bad, but you realize that there is no hope fo changing it.

But many people who are only tolerating something choose to feign "acceptance" if for no other reason than to make their day to day more life more pleasant. Or possibly for deeper meta reasons. But a problem arises when those who think they are being accepted by x people are, in some cases, only being tolerated and this results in actions being taken by them or others that forces those who a are actually only tolerating to declare acceptance that they don't feel. Some resist,

If people seem interested in my theory, I will mention some of the many examples.

One of the great benefits bestowed upon those often not accepted or tolerated is that, assuming reasonable awareness, you gain a keen understanding of the difference between being accepted, being tolerated, and not even being tolerated. Most people do not have this awareness because they are largely accepted everywhere. Under the rare instances when they are not the other person or group of people is "wrong", "mentally unstable", or "weird".
The ability to feel different levels of acceptance and tolerance is a gift that most don't have.

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