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01-21-2021 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
This is basic economic theory. You don't have to consider every single other factor. When the price of a commodity changes, how does that affect demand? Your view is that they will just ship by rail instead of oil. True, but the key observation is likely not in the same amount.
Your key observation is wrong. Oil demand has steadily increased for decades year after year, meanwhile the price ranged from the negatives to 150$/bbl over the same time period. The cancellation of Keystone will not lower the demand of oil. Solutions to it being cancelled were being planned back in 2013 with rail bridges:

https://financialpost.com/commoditie...da-rail-bridge

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Originally Posted by uke_master
Demand depends on prices, as any person that supports markets - like I do - knows. Remember, I'm a supporter of a MASSIVE increase in the carbon tax and this increase in prices would significantly damped demand and shift the economy away from a reliance on oil. KeystoneXL reduces the transportation costs, and so works in the opposite direction.
Again this fallacy you have that cancelling the keystone pipeline will increase prices, dampen demand and will lower emissions is wrong. Even a study done under the 2014 Obama administration disagrees: 2014 Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (2014 SEIS)


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The actual increase in GHG lifecycle emissions attributable to the proposed Project depends on whether or how much approval and use of the pipeline would cause an increase in oil sands production. Conclusions drawn from the Department’s market review, detailed further below, indicate that the proposed Project would be unlikely to significantly impact the rate of extraction in the oil sands and is therefore not likely to lead to a significant net increase in GHG emissions.
Your wrong idea that making things more expensive for the oil industry will somehow magically create a "market" for "clean" energy to over take oil and gas is stupid and based of nothing but your own imagination.
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01-21-2021 , 05:29 PM
Socialized medicine means rationed health care and people dying.


https://www.thewhig.com/news/canada/...box=1611251854
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01-21-2021 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Your key observation is wrong. Oil demand has steadily increased for decades year after year, meanwhile the price ranged from the negatives to 150$/bbl over the same time period. The cancellation of Keystone will not lower the demand of oil. Solutions to it being cancelled were being planned back in 2013 with rail bridges
I'm normally snarky, but in this case I actually think it's just a technical confusion so let me explain a little Econ101. There is a relationship between prices/quantities (the things you measure in the world) and supply/demand (how we model it). This is the key part: all else being equal, when you increase the price of something the demand goes down. Consider, if we doubled the price of an iphone, less people would buy an iphone. Now when you look at a decades long chart of quantity/prices, all things are NOT equal. We have population growth and economic growth and shifts in technology etc etc etc. So prices can be stagnant despite increasing quantity (again: quantity of units is not the same as demand, but quantity is the thing we measure).

So big picture, I want to lower to the quantity of oil consumption to combat global warming. There are two basic ways to do this. One is a sort of by fiat approach like the government just bans some level of consumption. The other is a more market approach where the government imposes increased prices, which has the result of lowered demand. I prefer the more market based approach. For instance, now instead of iphones we double the price of gas, then people will change their behaviour to use less gas, econ 101.

Now my PREFERRED approach to this is to price carbon. This is why i am ecstatic at the trudeau carbon tax routine. As in, I have no real opposition to pipelines per se, I actually prefer oil to be transferred by pipeline vs rail all else being equal. However, in the lack of a comprehensive global strategy to massively increase the price of carbon, thus sinking demand, we sort of work around the edges. Transporting oil by keystone has lower costs than by rail, and is thus - all else being equal - going to increase demand. All else won't be equal! But this is the effect of that one factor.
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01-21-2021 , 08:35 PM
Goodbye, GG Payette.



Damning.
Disturbing.
Worrisome.

Just some of the adjectives used to describe the report's content on working conditions within Rideau Hall.
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01-21-2021 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
Socialized medicine means rationed health care and people dying.


https://www.thewhig.com/news/canada/...box=1611251854
Ya bc nobody dies with privatized healthcare. Or go bankrupt delivering a baby or fighting cancer. Your posts each strive to be worst than the one before
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01-21-2021 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Habman
Goodbye, GG Payette.



Damning.
Disturbing.
Worrisome.

Just some of the adjectives used to describe the report's content on working conditions within Rideau Hall.
The one thing Harper did well was have a committee to select the GG.
I am curious how much vetting if any JT did for this pick.

To bad she resigned otherwise JT would had to go to the Queen and ask her to be fired

I think for most CDN's its a non story
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01-21-2021 , 10:41 PM
Canada should ditch the monarchy altogether.
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01-21-2021 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
Canada should ditch the monarchy altogether.
oh wow, you actually made a correct statement ITT. I'm impressed.
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01-22-2021 , 12:45 AM
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
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01-22-2021 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Habman
Damning.
Disturbing.
Worrisome.

Just some of the adjectives used to describe the report's content on working conditions within Rideau Hall.
I wonder if some of this is fed into by the pomp and circumstance of the role. A couple of times in the past I've been involved in events where numerous government officials were invited guests, so there was a certain amount of formality involved, but not an excessive amount. As soon as the Lieutenant Governor of BC was attending, the amount of protocol and procedure required shot through the roof. Everyone needs to stand, play God Save the Queen, care taken for how she is addressed, when she speaks, etc., etc. And that's just the L-G; I can imagine it would be even more so for the G-G. Not a huge deal, but you have to wonder if all of this has the potential to go to the head of the wrong person. You need someone with a little humility, that realizes all the ceremony is about the position and not the person.
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01-22-2021 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I wonder if some of this is fed into by the pomp and circumstance of the role. A couple of times in the past I've been involved in events where numerous government officials were invited guests, so there was a certain amount of formality involved, but not an excessive amount. As soon as the Lieutenant Governor of BC was attending, the amount of protocol and procedure required shot through the roof. Everyone needs to stand, play God Save the Queen, care taken for how she is addressed, when she speaks, etc., etc. And that's just the L-G; I can imagine it would be even more so for the G-G. Not a huge deal, but you have to wonder if all of this has the potential to go to the head of the wrong person. You need someone with a little humility, that realizes all the ceremony is about the position and not the person.
Just watching CBC and CTV news last night this was Justin's pick a good friend of the wife and zero vetting. It looked great as it was a woman, astronaut, engineer, single mom. Though from the beginning she refused to reside in the Governor Generals house and a mansion was rented for her. She knew what the job involved. I am curious if this report will be made public.
Off course for liberals this will be a non story and for conservatives a bigger one.
As I said earlier for most CDN's it will be who cares.
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01-22-2021 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I wonder if some of this is fed into by the pomp and circumstance of the role. A couple of times in the past I've been involved in events where numerous government officials were invited guests, so there was a certain amount of formality involved, but not an excessive amount. As soon as the Lieutenant Governor of BC was attending, the amount of protocol and procedure required shot through the roof. Everyone needs to stand, play God Save the Queen, care taken for how she is addressed, when she speaks, etc., etc. And that's just the L-G; I can imagine it would be even more so for the G-G. Not a huge deal, but you have to wonder if all of this has the potential to go to the head of the wrong person. You need someone with a little humility, that realizes all the ceremony is about the position and not the person.
There's a pattern here. If someone, anyone, had done any "vetting" (seems to be a popular term) this would have been discovered. Not exactly a glowing endorsement. Perhaps even a "red flag."

It's good to be a friend of Mr and Mrs Trudeau.

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CBC News, which broke news of the toxicity at Rideau Hall, reported Payette faced similar claims at former workplaces, but the prime minister and his officials didn’t conduct even basic checks with her past employers before appointing her as governor general.

According to the CBC, Payette received a severance of roughly $200,000 when she resigned from the Montreal Science Centre in 2016 following complaints about her treatment of employees. In 2017, Payette left the Canadian Olympic Committee after two internal investigations into her treatment of staff that included claims of verbal harassment.

- Licia Corbella, Calgary Herald
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Gov. Gen. Payette has created a toxic climate of harassment and verbal abuse at Rideau Hall, sources allege

There's no crying in Canadian politics? So much for 'nice.'
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01-22-2021 , 03:05 PM
Yup, from the outside looking in it seemed they thought all that matters is the "symbolism" of this role (female astronaut) and since this position is completely powerless, symbolism IS all that matters. Unless the person is just a horrible ****ing person, which it sounds like she is, and due diligence doesn't seem to have been carried out here.
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01-22-2021 , 03:09 PM
Could she be sued by her staff?

I empathize with her staff. Terrible to go through that.
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01-22-2021 , 03:13 PM
What baffles me is Trudeau was asked if he owes those workers an apology and nope. Or do you regret the hiring? Nope

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

Its like Jason Kenney Do you regret investing in Keystone? Nope do it again.

Its like they are incapable of apologizing.

Even Payette statement is not an apology at all but people see things different. Maybe JT wrote it for her
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01-22-2021 , 03:16 PM
Infallible: see "politician." (i.e. Trudeau, Kenney, et al.)
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01-22-2021 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I'm normally snarky, but in this case I actually think it's just a technical confusion so let me explain a little Econ101. There is a relationship between prices/quantities (the things you measure in the world) and supply/demand (how we model it). This is the key part: all else being equal, when you increase the price of something the demand goes down. Consider, if we doubled the price of an iphone, less people would buy an iphone. Now when you look at a decades long chart of quantity/prices, all things are NOT equal. We have population growth and economic growth and shifts in technology etc etc etc. So prices can be stagnant despite increasing quantity (again: quantity of units is not the same as demand, but quantity is the thing we measure).
You're just making yourself look silly comparing the deflation economics of electronics to Oil. Oil is the most important product on the planet, as it fuels every industry on the planet. Projects and investment are based off of global demand and price, a single pipeline between Canada and the USA will not change that. Evidence of this is demand has continued to rise along with production without Keystone XL. It also takes billions of investment with 20+ year commitment to extract oil, which is why you see huge price volatility with oil. Again a single pipeline being delayed won't magically destroy the industry.

No expert or study believes cancelling this pipeline will lower GHG emissions or oil demand. So let's just agree you are happy its cancelled because of your imagination and religous dogma and move on.
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01-22-2021 , 09:52 PM
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This is the key part: all else being equal, when you increase the price of something the demand goes down.

Actually demand stays the same, but the quantity demanded would decrease.
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01-23-2021 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Habman
Infallible: see "politician." (i.e. Trudeau, Kenney, et al.)
She walks with a full pension of $150,000 a year and $100,000 travel allowance. Good to be friends of JT and Sophie
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01-23-2021 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
She walks with a full pension of $150,000 a year and $100,000 travel allowance. Good to be friends of JT and Sophie
Please link to the stories demonstrating how she is "friends" with Justin Trudeau and how it was up to Justin Trudeau what her pension was.

or are you - as usual - fos?
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01-23-2021 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
Canada should ditch the monarchy altogether.
+5
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01-23-2021 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Please link to the stories demonstrating how she is "friends" with Justin Trudeau and how it was up to Justin Trudeau what her pension was.

or are you - as usual - fos?
Obviously Justin has no bearing on the pension no were did I say he did . Well I doubt their friends anymore I was referring to her getting the job in the first place. Isn't that how politics work High School Buddies get cabinet positions, and large government contracts

I think we have an election coming soon saw my first Liberal PAC commercial trashing Erin Otoole
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01-23-2021 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
She walks with a full pension of $150,000 a year and $100,000 travel allowance. Good to be friends of JT and Sophie
And the ones coming from PC putting them there have the same allowance...

It’s the job that should be canceled .
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01-23-2021 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
And the ones coming from PC putting them there have the same allowance...

It’s the job that should be canceled .
Agreed +6
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01-23-2021 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Obviously Justin has no bearing on the pension no were did I say he did . Well I doubt their friends anymore I was referring to her getting the job in the first place. Isn't that how politics work High School Buddies get cabinet positions, and large government contracts
Ok, link then to how they are highschool buddies?
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