https://financialpost.com/opinion/te...f-clean-energy

I'm sure you missed this when I posted it a page ago. You also have Muskrat Falls in Labrador that is way over budget, way behind schedule and needs more bailout from the Federal Government.

You realize this - obviously - does exactly zero to detract from my position, right?

Ofc he doesn't why do you ask these things

I think his point is when the government gets involved the projects end up severely over budget and a huge burden on the taxpayers. If you look at what Ontarioans are paying for power for all their projects. The article talks about Alberta & BC working together to eliminate coal and Natural Gas. Alberta is already ahead of the curve on eliminating coal but I do not see it doing that to natural gas
THough if BC is so concerned about climate change it would ban all coal leaving through its ports for China

Funny one newscast pointed out Trudeau bought a pipeline that is getting built and Kenney bought a Pipeline that is not getting built
Though the Trans Mountain isn't done yet.

On a different topic I do not understand the BC premier on why he is looking into the legality of closing the province. Why wouldn't he just put a 14 day quarantine period like the Yukon and Maritimes?
Or is this just political maneuvering as he knows the Okanagan and Cranbrook and Fernie areas would be impacted the most?

Credit where credit is due: Alberta was slow out the gate in the first week of the vaccine rollout. But they have been excellent at getting it out to the old folks homes, have now completely caught up to supply on the vaccines and arguably have the best vaccine rollout in canada or maybe BC. Of course now we are all waiting as Pfizer europe retooles its denmark factories so will be slow for a couple weeks then massive ramp up.

Of course I realize this, you are a devout zealot and nothing will change your mind. But only a moron would think this is going to keep oil in the ground.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7584155/k...il-dependency/

Well I believe in the power of markets, unlike most conservatives. The keystone pipeline correctly being cancelled doesn't magically make all oil stay in the ground, so no need to burn that strawman down. But the market DOES respond to inputs. Same as how I support carbon taxes which doesn't eliminate oil, but similarly means markets react to the prices and ultimately there are changes in behaviours.

The problem is that Europe will be back on their regular schedule and Canada now getting no vaccines next week at all. When pressed by the limited press gallery Trudeau would not confirm he has directly called Pfizer himself.
If you look at our vaccination rates now over a month in we are lagging behind drastically.
Maybe Trudeau can convince Biden to let some of that US production come to Canada?

We are now facing the issue that people that got their first dose and the second dose was not held will not get that dose in the required time frame

O'Toole, Ford and Kenney are all three trying to turn this into a political issue, like that the one-week blip from pfizer is something trudeau or anand could just fix with a phone call. Why? Is there any evidence of that? It's hard to know exactly what's going on, but it seems completely like this is just a quirk of the precise shipping schedule and the temporary suspensions of the factory in europe, and Canada will be back up to the proportional amount again.

I think this quote is instructive:

The basic story is consistent among the first world countries of the world. Israel and US are exceptions for different reasons that are basically impossible to replicate. A few smaller countries also peak up. But otherwise basically all the first world countries is between 1-2% because they all have basically the same contracts from pfizer and moderna. We're at 1.7. Ok. So ya you get weird effects where on the exact ship date to canada the factory is closed but isn't on the ship date to germany and so for a week it looks like canada is doing worse, but overall doing better.

Ever worked in a company were your trying to get something from a supplier or distributor and you can not so you have the owner make the call and suddenly you get some movement.
Lets be clear Europe is returning to their regular schedule of deliveries Jan 28th while Canada will incur 4 weeks of 1/2 supply.
I get why the USA is getting all their doses they make them there. That is why I am hoping Justin is on the phone and lobbying for some of that supply.
As for Israel reports are their leader has the president on speed dial and paid them more money to get the vaccine

Hey Trudeau says he will still meet the schedule so will see

ah yes the great "phone call theory" of O'Toole. Oh man, why didn't trudeau think of that one! Just call 'em up! It's so simple!

Israel has special factor, chief among them my understanding was about data actually, that they are providing an insane amount of medical data back to pfizer for the continued studies because of nationalized e-records of health that no other country can beat and thus gets this special status. Just lol at thinking if trudeau had pfizer president on speed dial they could just magically buddy buddy into getting more vaccine. Or that if they could Merkle wouldn't be in exactly the same situation.

Correctly cancelled , I am surprised you are going against Trudeau on this one.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7585430/k...d-making-sure/

Lol what kind of nonsense is this? An administration cancelling a project for idealogical reasons after it's been approved environmentally, economically, checked every box and after it has started isn't a market. The crude will just continue to be transported via rail.

Why are you surprised? I've been very clear and vocal critic of Trudeau's policies towards pipelines ITT.



Let's test your belief in markets: Do you think the identical quantity of oil will be transported by rail?

Sadly 2000 folks lost their jobs today. I get Obama cancelling a project that hasn't been started but a project underway.
Though anyone that did not see this coming it was one of Bidens major campaign promises.

Uke is right though about demand and pricing. Unless the prices rise sharply not much occurs. Though if prices rise its coming out of the ground no matter what like Shifty says.

Though Canada has a slim chance of balancing a budget with JT at the helm and the loss of resource revenue. Its OK Budgets balance themselves


Kenney plans to diversify and invest in Blockbuster and Radio Shack

Any job really matters, but let's be real. In the context of the Canadian economy of 35 million people, the 2000 jobs on the pipeline is a statistical blip.

You REALLY love these pathetic one liners, don't you? The entire interview is there for you to watch. It is a pretty devastating critique of Harpers budget at the time and his faux pretenses to balance the budget with accounting tricks. Those three words from the interview are a slightly inelegant phrasing once seven years of - wait for it - a ****ing conservative principle of growing the economy to reduce deficits, a principle I don't even disagree with, but is loltastic having conservatives try to use it against him.

And here's the rub: I've explained this to you before. In this thread. Maybe you were naive before and just swallowed the con line hook line and sinker with no critical reflection. Ok, fine. But it was explained to you. Nevertheless, you persist. I would highly recommend you move away from this fascination of conservative one-liners against trudeau that you have steadfastly memorized and try to actually come up with substantive criticisms to justify your hatred.

Probably because it seems to be a growing trend that if one supports a party or political "side", one must support everything they say. Ever.

Whether shifty is like this himself is projecting it on to you, or recognizes that it's common and assumes you think this way, I'm not sure.

So Derek Sloan has been kicked out of the CPC because he received a 131 donation from someone known as Paul Fromm.

someone known as Paul Fromm

That's quite a "someone".

“The Conservative caucus voted to remove Derek Sloan not because of one specific event, but because of a pattern of destructive behaviour involving multiple incidents and disrespect towards the Conservative team for over a year,” Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole said in a statement.

O'Toole is just using this donation thing as an opportunity to purge the party of a potential rival.

Yeah go figure I use the words or promises Trudeau makes and breaks against him . At least Joe Biden said he would cancel Keystone and he did. No shock there.
I am sure glad Liberals do not participate in the one liners or dirty politics that you accuse O'Tolle and Harper of. Oh wait .....

When folks talk about Energy Independence I am not sure Keystone would lead to that as most of the oil would be exported after being refined.
Kenney talking about Suing and sanctions hive me a break. No single pipeline will get Alberta out of its mess.

If we really want to talk about Climate Change lets talk about BC dirty little secrets than

Are you asking me to make a prediction on the most traded commodity on the planet that is greatly impacted by global events like weather, pandemics, wars, economics?

Crude by rail volume was on a steady increase year after year until COVID and is just starting to get back to to those levels. Oil production in Alberta has also been steadily increasing the past few months. IEA expects oil demand to continue to rise until 2040, so to answer your question I guess sure why not?

If all experts predict oil demand will continue to rise for the next 20 years why do you not want it transported by the safest, most efficient, environmentally safest way possible?

Yeah you got me, Im busted this is all projection, you guys are just the best mind readers! Or Uke is the biggest Trudeau fanboy itt and defends him every chance he gets (except for Trans Mountain).

It is weird there is not near as much of an up roar about this as when Trump put tariffs Canadian products.

Except you aren't. If you want to cite that four minute interview and criticize the series of points (citing conservative economic theory) he was making about harpers embarrassingly deceptive budget from seven years ago, then fine. That would actually be using his words and promises against him. But if what you want to do is quote mine three slightly inelegantly phrased words while ignoring the context entirely as if this is somehow representative of anything is just partisan hackery. And this is a piece of my larger frustration with your entire approach to Trudeau. There are so many legitimate ways to actually criticize the policies of trudeau, but despite your unrelenting criticism of him, so much of it is just this easily dismissible fluff like the microquoting "budgets balance themselves".

Sure. What would you like to talk about?

I know you don't know much about the Canadian oil industry, but Trans Mountain and Keystone XL are different pipelines, and yes I oppose him on both which is a bit of an odd thing for a putative fanboy to do, no? Of course the truth is that I am hardly a fanboy of Trudeau. I have substantial policy and values differences on him, from the left, that I've explored at various times ITT. The appearance of "fanboy" is purely an artifact of the fact that one person ITT abhors Trudeau and just gives a tonne of truly terrible arguments, largely from the right. It is simply a mistake to conflate that with me actually supporting trudeau's policies myself.


This is basic economic theory. You don't have to consider every single other factor. When the price of a commodity changes, how does that affect demand? Your view is that they will just ship by rail instead of oil. True, but the key observation is likely not in the same amount.


Demand depends on prices, as any person that supports markets - like I do - knows. Remember, I'm a supporter of a MASSIVE increase in the carbon tax and this increase in prices would significantly damped demand and shift the economy away from a reliance on oil. KeystoneXL reduces the transportation costs, and so works in the opposite direction.