Another victory for Justin!

That's why seeing the contracts signed with the pharma companies would be helpful: anyone can throw money with no recourse if the other party doesn't deliver. "It was an unique problem facing our country" shouldn't be carte-blanche to spend recklessly, but we've done so thus far when given the choice.

Anyone know if the government's going to give me a "COVIDsafe" stamp in my passport when I get my shot? If I have to spend an afternoon in line and $25 to get a notarized form from Service Ontario to travel, I'm gonna be mad.

Correct me if I am wrong but did he not say when he said lets not focus on the start but the finish that the goal was 50% of the population vaccinated by the fall of 2021?

Also if you have had Covid do you need the vaccine?


I am curious as well how they handle this as some countries and businesses may require proof of vaccine


Also I saw the Quebec is saying no to Holiday gatherings in Red Zones. Good Luck with that

As always, actually quoting what he said is far better than vague references.

Excellent point! Right now we are eagerly focusing on when the first dribs and drabs of vaccine come across the border, is it last week of dec, first week of jan, etc. That's important and we've gotten a LOT of encouraging news this week about the strength of the supply chain and distribution organization, the government appears to be well executing on this, time will tell. However, even if the first 3 million go off without a hitch, the real question is when we can start getting the majority vaccinated, when we can really go back to normal. If you are planning to reopen a business, the question isn't when is the FIRST vaccines come, it's when we are safe enough to reopen broadly because of mass vaccinations.

Trudeau correctly makes an important and valid point.

Always a vague insult I am shocked you did not require video proof that he said that Bless your heart

No acknowledgement that one day he says 50% by fall than a few days later all of Canada.

You do realise that this type of vaccine(not your traditional)which is new folks can have some real questions prior to getting the vaccine.

lozen: "Your like a Trump supporter you just keep believing the lies."
Also lozen: get's offended that I asked for....a quote?

If you want to criticize something, please provide a reference or quote to the thing you are criticizing so we know what it is you are talking about. This isn't an insult. In this case, the full quote of what you were criticizing is actually a completely reasonable and valid point from Trudeau, it only sounds bad when poorly paraphrased out of context. This is why the actual quotes are important.


I'm sorry, I don't quite follow. I don't think Trudeau ever said "all of Canada" would get the vaccine by Sept 21st. The expectation is this will be somewhere around 50% by that time. It means that if you want a vaccine, there should not be supply constraints and you can get one at some point by then. It is going to switch to a public health awareness campaign to try and get as many people to vaccinate as possible, but not all will.

Sure, people are allowed to be ignorant. In which case it is our responsibility to explain the drug approval process from pre-clincial to stage 1,2,3 clincial through to approval. If you understand the statistics involved, there is no reason to worry. And it is fine to not presently be aware of that process - most aren't - but if someone is skeptical they have a basic moral imperative to inform themselves about how incredibly safe they are, and then to take the vaccine.

I am quoting your post ?


Also on the Pfizer Shuffle posted this . Is this not the first type of vaccine of its kind. I will be getting it when it is available but I acknowledge the reasonable questions being asked


As well a new point Trudeau clearly says I am not going to tell provinces what to do. But at what point is it in the Prime Ministers power to step in and call out Jason Kenney?

Personally I would like all the provinces leaders step back and appoint a health panel to make the decisions and take the politics out of it. Though I want these health leaders to also point out the importance of Vitamin D , C and Zinc and tell folks to do things to make themselves overall healthier.

I'm sorry, I'm still legitimately confused about what point you are making. Sept 2021 is not when "all of Canada" will get one and I don't think either Trudeau or I suggested otherwise. About half of Canadians (we hope) will be vaccinated by that point. The idea is that as supply constraints come off, anyone who wants to get a vaccine will be able to get it, and the focus shifts to persuading as many people as possible to get it. Is there something in what I just wrote that you object to?


Ummm...what is this? I appreciate that you are giving quotes, but I can't find this source. Can you provide the link? I've tried googling the quote but find nothing. It reads like FUD from someone with little understanding of the process, but I can't verify without knowing where it comes from.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...60/index6.html

Oh wow, I can’t say I would have ever predicted that your source is......the poster shuffle from this forum. Lol. I prefer to get my advice on the vaccine’s safety from medical experts.

No I am pointing out some questions that may be asked of the vaccine. And I think they are reasonable questions to ask. By answering some of these questions you get more people to vaccinate. Hey you convinced me on the Covid app with evidence that I did read. Sadly my premier wasn't convinced

So I am curious what do we think the Canada Emergencies Act is for ?
From Wikipedia
over 12,000 dead Canadians and its getting worse seems like an emergency to me every province has a different plan.

Would not some federal guidance on mandated shutdowns based on population and cases be warranted at this time?

I get that some provinces like Alberta & more so Quebec would be upset but they also lead the country in cases.



The CBC ran this article in March when cases were low in comparison but we took more extensive measures
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...mier-1.5507205

Good news from Trudeau's address this morning: first of the pfizer vaccines coming presumably next week, should ship immediately after health canada approves the vaccine which is also presumably imminent. Quarter million doses arriving in december rising to 6 million in early 2021. Ultimately it doesn't matter THAT much when exactly the first trickle starts to cross, its when the much larger quantities come that matter, but at least those "back of the line" con FUD is proving to be nonsense.


As to using the emergency power, man things must be bad in Alberta when Albertans are calling for Justin Trudeau of all people to take over. I've always thought the emergency powers act didn't do much here for two main reasons.
1) Managing the pandemic isn't just about "sticks", it is about persuasion. You can lock something down, and give fines, but generally these rules are about persuading the public they are important and actually following through. I think albertans are FAR more likely to follow the identical rule when it comes from Hinshaw than they did if Trudeau took over and imposed that same rule. Imagine the anti-mask protests in Alberta if it was Trudeau imposing those rules! They already ahbor the guy.
2) Healthcare in Canada is 99% provincial, 1% federal. The provinces have the manpower, data, relationships with hospitals and clinics and doctors, etc etc etc. When Hinshaw gives a public health order, thing like the capacity of the calgary hospital system or whatever are all extremely important local factors, and the feds just don't have any of those connections by design of the system. So a federal takeover just doesn't make much sense imo.

As Canadians do we have the right to know who got all the money? I am not sure if Trudeau ran on Transparency again in 2020 or that was just a 2016 promise

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cov...ency-1.5826917

Sigh, expected and reasonable but Christmas just got cancelled in BC My three year old is SO excited by christmas too, first time he really understands cognitively what is going on

Time for Dad to break out a beard and fatsuit.

Haven't most guys been preparing for this over the last 8 months or so . . . at least that's what I've observed driving around town?

If every province has a different plan and all are seeing an increase in cases why do you think the federal government will magically pick the right one? As much as people want to believe the government can solve all of our problems, they can't.

The government and majority of Canadians cannot afford another lockdown. We are just going to have to keep riding this out with restrictions until our innovative neighbors to the south solve and fix this for us.

Hard pass.

Yes, each province has a little different plan because, as our Dr. Henry likes to say, everyone has a different pandemic.

Our numbers seem to have flattened a bit lately, and I'd rather we didn't have to put in more harsh measures that AB and QC might need. For example, if they decided schools needed to close because numbers elsewhere were going crazy.

Well, that's a little harsh, but I guess not totally inaccurate. With a 3 year old at home, it should still be pretty damn awesome, no? But a massive disappointment to any grandparents, of course.

For us, it's our daughter coming back home from university (4th year), and our son who is taking 1st year here at home. My wife's got a big family (4 siblings, all have 2-4 kids each), so we had already resigned ourselves to not seeing much, if any, of them over the holidays. But I'm an only child, and my parents pretty much keep to themselves, especially now in the pandemic. I think we'd be one of the lowest risks of a family get-together as one could possibly imagine, so we were just assuming we'd be able to manage that. And I still hold out hope, as we only need the smallest bit of wiggle room to be able to see them. If it was just my mom, or just my dad, we'd be fine. Frustrating.

BUT...we still have all our parents, everyone's healthy, everyone's working, we have a great life, so I really have nothing to complain about. If we have to wait until January, February, March, I guess that's how it will have to be.

And we have no little kids to disappoint - everyone's an adult in this house, and can suck it up.

Got to make the best of it. I think it would be hard for divorced parents as well. You may be choosing which parent they spend Christmas with. Plus all those health care workers that will be doing double shifts makes anything you have to do easier.

They are saying Jan/Fen may be the worst . Yet we got yahoos protesting mask wearing

Health Canada approves Pfizer vaccine. Doses coming next week. Listening to Fortin's logistical update now and everything seems extremely well organized.

Here is another angle though: https://globalnews.ca/news/7510507/a...virus-vaccine/
Contrary to the conservative attempts to paint Canada as "back of the line" or focusing only on one option (CanSino), the reality has consistently been however that Canada, as a rich country, has done massive purchases of the seven leading candidates resulting in massive oversupply. If pfizer and moderna both failed, canada would have been still good, and it will all seem unnecessary since pfizer and moderna seem to both have succeeded. However, while these local political attack lines are proven pretty false, there IS a meaningful criticism of the role of rich countries like canada in displacing poorer countries around the world imo.

The USA was offered more doses and of all things passed. Having to many doses ordered not a bad thing Heck if I am able to get my Vaccine by May/June ill say good job liberals.

Kenney finally is locking things down will see if its a little late

Groundbreaking news today on Trudeau's climate change plans: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...plan-1.5837709. This follows on the backs of the "accountability mechanism" from last month to create a framework for reporting and target settings. Well, now we get some of the details on the first plan.

I've been saying this since before Trudeau was elected: the most important thing is to have a substantive mechanism to price carbon, and the carbon tax is one such mechanism. There are many, many things in the proposal, but the big one is a gradual increase to a fairly massive movement in the carbon tax by 2030. This is important. This is necessary. The good news? Everyone is going to be getting thousands a year in rebate checks. An Albertans? They get the second highest after saskatchewan (the argument is they are hurt the most by having higher oil dependence, so get bigger rebate checks than anyone else.

Carbon pricing is so crucial because it incentivizes moving away from carbon intensive choices, all while being much closer to revenue neutral than you might initially guess becaue of the massive rebate checks. Ultimately I have never really cared for minutia the trudeau haters focus on because even when I'm tempted to agree (mostly they froth over nothing) it is just small....its these bigger picture things that actually matters.

Kudo's to him for having a plan. Will see what the supreme court does as well and if the liberals are in power till 2030. Still baffles me that Jason Kenney did not keep collecting the Carbon Tax at a provincial level giving him more direction on were its spent. Though if the conservatives want to win they have to have a climate plan

Sadly until the four biggest emitters China, USA, India and Russia take the issue serious what Canada does is a drop in the bucket(2% of the Worlds).
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/eac...-co2-emissions
Surprised me how bad China is double the USA
Reality is the USA will join the Paris Accord and in 2024 Don Junior will drop out of it.

LOL you are both delusional. JT is about one thing and only one thing. Wealth transfers. This is part of the Great Reset, don't fool yourself. This will cost me thousands more per year (gas going up 38 cents by 2030) meanwhile bums with no cars will get $ back. No other country has fallen for this scam