Oh hold on your "document shredding" was NOT based on the contemporaneous news story about Speakers Spotlight. Ok, please share the specific news story you are referring to. Cite a non-partisan source. If you are going to pivot from talking about vaccinations to whatever anti-trudeau fluff comes into your mind, you are going to need to do a better job.

My brother is a national expert in drug development, and I asked him a question about Canadian drug development. It had literally nothing to do with politics.

If you can quote your partisan media source the CBC I get mine

Pathetic.

That is what I say about Justin as well but you will be blinded by your hate for conservatives and the fact Justin may be the worst PM in the history of Canada

Stay Safe

Of course it baffles you, because you lack logic and reason. It's why you hate every politician you've voted for and are wrong so often. If no major outbreaks have been linked to casinos or churches since the re-opening why punish them or the people that use them?

People need to realize government policey of shutting down this or that isn't going to magically make covid go away now. Evidence of that is how every province has had a different approach and have all seen an increase in numbers recently.

Yeah it hasn't been much luck for me voting for politicians. Sadly they make so many promises and keep one or two. I would say the last politician that actually did what he said was good ole Ralphy. Notley did what I expected but long term she was bad for the province but better than Kenney. I loved Trudeau's message the first time but delivered very little.

As for assertion that churches and casinos do not spread the virus we really do not know as Alberta has failed at contact tracing. You could be right but you can not back that up with science. Lets see were we are in two weeks my guess is no better off than today.

I like this analogy on Alberta's response I feel blessed I am both pathetic and lack logic & reason from two folks that think Trudeau and Trump are great

Well you knew it was coming when the liberals are being grilled about why we have no vaccine production the answer is " Its Stephen Harper's fault"
It is Kinda like Trump blaming Obama for not having PPE's

Let's hope we are only a month behind other countries getting it and not 6-9 months behind.

That seems very unlikely. FWIW, our health officer is preparing for potential arrival of the first doses as soon as January.

Also we do have vaccine production here, just not the right kind for this one, unfortunately.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globaln...a-rollout/amp/

Yeah even here at the UofA we have a lot of vaccine production potential but like your link says not sure if its for this strain or type not sure what to call it. Though even if we did from the evasiveness of Justin Trudeau when asked if we secured licensing to produce these vaccines I doubt we do not have the licensing.

Now his go to line is Lets not talk about the start of vaccination of the end and saying 50% of CDN's will be vaccinated by Sept 2021.

I guess we wait and see for the first rollouts to happen if they do shortly and than see how long it takes to get them here.

This may be all politics as well The Conservatives saying what they say and the Liberals sounding like were months away and than Justin comes in and saves the day and we get the vaccines and he rides that to an election.

It will be interesting. From what I can tell of the friction points, they are all currently thing outside of the governments hands for the most part. The approval is obviously outside their hand. And the early timeframe of vaccine across the border from pfizer and moderna is also largely outside of their hands it seems. The USA will get the USA made vaccines a bit earlier, and no government would have ever been able to make that different. However, the conservatives are clearly trying to set up "look look look delays we had justin!!!!" as the main talking point. Whether that is bought hook line and sinker by the lozens of the world probably depends on if there are friction points in thing like the distribution. Very glad the military is going to be heavily involved here, but we shall see. Too early to be assigning blame yet, imo.

I guess we wait and see for the first rollouts to happen if they do shortly and than see how long it takes to get them here.
Well recent polls had the cons at 27%, so I don't think we need to be making up conspiracy theories of how the Liberals are going to stay ahead.

Let me the first to say I think we would be in the same position with a Scheer government and the liberals would be doing the same thing as the Conservatives. Though even Trudeau's little ***** Jagmit is calling him out on this. All I want is a plan going forward so we have our own PPE's , vaccine production and more pharma production here

Reality is there will be another hurdle and that there are is a good % that say they will not take the vaccine. No question for me when its available I will be taking it.

Moderna chairman dumps cold water on the conservatives attempts to try and paint timing as a massive issue.

The basic reality is that trudeau - to his credit - acted FAST to secure huge contracts with the 7 largest vaccine candidates. So we will be getting it when we get it, and little that we can do about that at this stage. So it is up to distribution, that will be the question.

The article in no way says were at the front of the Bus. Many countries placed orders ahead of Canada as Trudeau originally partnered with the Chinese vaccine company but than got screwed over by them and than scrambled to sign contracts. How he thought he could trust China is beyond me

https://fortune.com/2020/08/28/canad...ical-shipment/


I guess reality is we will wait and see when we see vaccines in Canada. Obviously healthcare workers, police, fire and teachers should be the priority. The UK and the USa could be vaccinating in weeks. If that is true we will see how many weeks or months we are behind that

I mean, I just quoted - and bolded - it right there for you. I suppose I'm forced to do it again?


Man the FUD out of you these days is just unbelievable. The entire liberal strategy has been - completely correctly - to spam far and wide. There is absolutely nothing wrong with exploring whether CanSino could be one of the many prongs moving forward. And it is absolutely ridiculous to imply that Canada was behind on other vaccines because of this one, especially given how Canada was actually "among the first countries" on other vaccines like Moderna. Just stop making up complete BS lozen, it is embarrassing.

Well I guess we can only see by when we can all get vaccines. Your like a Trump supporter you just keep believing the lies.

I guess its just FUD to be concerned about a our new finance minister who has absolutely no finance experience putting us in a debt we may never recover from and promising an even bigger deficit after Copvid 19 . I guess I may be just a bit more comfortable with Bill Morneau than a freelance reporter

The liberals could run almost a trillion before they are done themselves

gtfo with this weak sauce. You don't get to just get to parrot the con line of the day every time, and then twist and project this to me when I quote the ****ing head of moderna. Where did I lie? Quote it. Provide evidence showing it is fault. Let's not forget your miserable fail to provide evidence just a few posts back.


This say quite a bit more about you than it does about Chrystia Freeland. Stop using these embarassing lenses to understand politics. If you are mad that Canada, a tenth the size of the US, is going to spend a tenth of what the US will (new bipartian deal just under 1 trillion), then ok. But lay out actual economic theory and not just slander people.

I had a full reply but I get tired of the personal insults, subtle your a racist and homphobe comments. You disguise them well.

Good Luck and stay safe

What the **** are you talking about? As always, quote it or stfu. To be clear, you're making this accusation up and won't be able to quote it (although I've repeatedly said I DIDN"T think you were either of these).

Although it is worth noting how affected you are about it. Whenever things get 'heated' between us, you always return to this idea that I "disguised" an insult about you being racist and/or homophobic. But why? Why does THAT affect you so much, even if it was true (it isn't). I presume from your stories we are both white straight guys. Wouldn't it be forth being quite open to reflecting on ways we might contribute to systems of privilege in our society? Wouldn't you WANT to be conscious of spots where our privilege might affect our judgement, to have the opportunity to learn from these spots? Instead you seem to have taken this as sort of the nut low insult on the internet that most frustrates you and causes you to shut down conversations.

Starting to breath a little easier regarding the vaccination story. A lot more clarity is emerging this week versus last on timelines. First, we have health canada saying approval is a week to 10 days out with rolling data review already ongoing. This is on par with the US which is likely to approve on the 10th, on par with the EU and only behind the UK (which did this weird thing of approving literally only a single lot, scooping the the rest of the world).

The canadian military is going to be running early distro operations. THe cold storage is already acquired by the government and 14 initial distribution points will be ready to receive by Dec 14th. That is, everything is looking to be in place with the hold of up being the lots coming from pfizer itself, which is looking like late december, that's the one spot where it looks like the US will be able to start 1-2 weeks earlier just based on literally Lot 1 going to the US with Canada and rest of world very soon after (my understanding this is based on operation warp speed funding issues, not any realistic thing canada could have done differently).

The big key is that the initial Q1 supply is 6 million doses (with 2/per person so 3 million people) and as Tam has been elaborating the high risk groups are well over 3 million so definitely going to be supply constrained for a while.

Regardless, so far so good.

If we look at it from a non-partisan standpoint (or a Trudeau-apologist if I was being facetious) however, 3 million people given the vaccination by April of next year is worrisome: at best we're allocating scare resources optimally and giving the people caring for those in ICU a 95% chance of not getting COVID.

Politics being what it is, the opposition will bray and call for blood, but I'd like to see the actual contracts that the government signed with pharma: from personal experience, provincial and municipal governments get taken advantage of when dealing with a multinational corporation. I'd love to see what the Federal government managed to negotiate.

Yeah seeing the contracts would be nice. Sadly they are saying that some of us may not see a vaccination till summer 2022. That is what they were saying on our morning news. That just seems to far out.

Sadly what our province is doing disgusts me now we have to request field hospitals yet we still can all go to church and the casino

I can't imagine that being the case. Our provincial health officer today suggested most would have by September, and that everyone who wanted one would have it by the end of the year. She's not been one to make ridiculous commitments, so I suspect she's being a bit conservative.

Was discussing with friends the brouhaha in BC with the churchgoers wanting to congregate... they say the government can't limit where or how many can gather.

My question/comment: doesn't the government already limit the number of people that can gather in a specific building through the fire code? No one complains about that restriction?

Someone smarter than me, please shed some light on this?

Reference for the summer 2022 claim? Trudeau says everyone wants a vaccine should be able to get one by sept 2021, which vaguely squares with the expected en ramp of vaccine production. The issue will be converting vaccine skeptics to get it, not supply constraints until summer 2022 I think.

Lol one minute after typing that I get the notification confirming. Bonnie Henry in BC says BC vaccinations start first week of January and everyone who wants one will get it by sept 2021. Excellent news.