Hold on, what exactly are you talking about? Political parties can agree to support each other to give some measure of stability, but this isn't some immutable thing. It's 3 years old, signed to a party leader who isn't even in politics any more, with a replacement leader representing the opposite side of internal party divisions. This exact scenario isn't specified in the confidence and supply agreement but check out this: "Both caucuses recognize that, in order to promote greater stability, the government must be
able to negotiate with the three BC Green Party MLAs as a single, recognized caucus". That caucus was completely fractured because of the Weaver/Furstinau feud.

Literally nothing wrong with calling an election. Just in the same way harper can call an election during his minority government to try and get a majority. This is how parliaments work.

Anyone read the absolutely scathing auditor general report of Alberta? Wow. Just wow. Let's be blunt. Nobody from alberta has any right to criticize the federal government if they are staying silent about this.

I was going to post it and say Kenney and Trudeau have a lot in common with sole sourced contracts.

Unacceptable and as I have had said many times. Kenney will be a one term premier and the only premier that could call an election today and lose.

Absolutely nothing wrong other than your word and signature meaning nothing
THe deal was "The confidence and supply agreement signed in 2017 specified it was to be in effect for “four years or the next fixed election date.” The next fixed date is Oct. 21, 2021."

I just said weather your NDP, Conservative, Green or Liberal your main concern is to stay in power

Right, that is the first line. But buddy, read the last one too. It is signed years ago by somebody who is no longer even in politics. And read the middle, where it specifically talks about a single, recognized caucus which immediately became void when the leader of the green party left the ****ing caucus. It became two seats for the one side of the greens, one seat independent, apparently not even on speaking terms any more. Not that anyone from any party ever thought these minority government agreements are some sort of immutable binding thing you can never back away from. This is basic parliamentary democracy in minorities 101, the different parties make agreements to form government and any party can back away at any time and SHOULD as situations changes so drastically, as happened here. Not even the opposition liberals was using your line.

Basically, worry about that flaming turd of a story going on in your province before you try casting aspersions at mine.

From the guy that trashes Alberta non stop

Or rally sizes.

I never posted anything about rallies in this thread but you keep bringing Trump up in this thread.

But his rallies were a strong indication that the media narrative and the polls were way off, and they were. And he has received more votes than Obama in 2008 so far.

Lol shifty being a trumpkin saying trumpkin lines was always hilarious, but now it is just kinda pathetic.

lol even the Canadians are turning on Shifty and exposing him as a COWARD and a FRAUD

Biden received 4-5 million more votes than Trump. Perhaps your next point can be made by telling us next how Trump did vs the 1912 Woodrow Wilson, because - media narrative.

All the best.

Rallies mean nothing but anyone that ignores the fact that Trump picked up 5 million votes and the democrats lost seats in the house and looks like they will not gain the senate but that may be decided by Jan are nuts. If you ignore this in 2022 the Republicans will gain the house add to the senate and look out 2024

Biden also got the most votes and defeated an incumbent president which should not be overlooked as well.

Few good You tube links from Andrew Yang & Bill Maher. I gotta figure out the You Tube link

https://youtu.be/wr_ZwRgbXlY

https://youtu.be/4DEMzqnU2wg


Also how dare Shifty support a president that serves his economical interests.

He has every right to support whoever he wants, every right to make up his own metrics about who should win and every right to posit questions while acting plainly in bad faith. Don’t expect those who disagree to not call him out on it.

Making 4-year predictions with this President are problematic. Let’s see how much of a scorched policy he enacts on the way out.

Wonder if Trudeau had Biden ready on speed dial. Pretty sure he’s going to be pulling whatever strings he can to be his first official call when he takes office: time to start mending fences and convincing him that oil pipes aren’t that bad.

Yeah Trudeau killed himself when he got caught on the Hot Mike talking about Trump. I give credit to Trudeau other than that on how he dealt with Trump. Trudeau will prefer Biden but Keystone is dead as is the railway to the north.

The one thing that is scary is what Trump does in his last few months plus does anyone think the man attends the inauguration

Trump isn't/wasn't great for Alberta oil. How many companies have left Canada for the US in the past 4 years? Devon Energy, TC Energy (formally known as TransCanada, how bad is it when you can't have Canada in your companies name) and Encana. That's just off the top of my head.

No electoral college. Lol.

I never said he was right.
Many of these companies left for the sole reason you cant get projects approved. Some of Trudeau's bills and a prime example was Teck. JT just refused to make a decision either way. These companies bolted to states like Texas and PA that were open to development. The same goes for Kenney that keeps believing lowering your corporate tax rate which already was the lowest will bring new opportunities just not happening

How did the transcanada expansion get approved then? And more importantly, while Harper approved the pipelines in brazen disregard to environmental and indigenous concerns (and was repeatedly slapped across the face by the courts), what the Trudeau team actually did was put in place a legitimate and effective review process that takes these concerns AND economic concerns genuinely into effect, and proved sufficient to get the biggest goal of them all approved. That's right, your boy ol'Justin Trudeau got Albertans back.

Come now, there was a new article every day about Teck being economically nonviable, this was strongly implied multiplies from Teck itself. As for making a decision, there was every indication they would have made the decision. Again, a proper review process is important and should be there. But the economics wern't there and Teck pulled out before it could be approved or denied. We can all play counterfactuals about what the decision would have been (I'm betting approval given this governments deference to Alberta every time).

Total BS Trudeau delayed the decision again hoping Teck walked away. Though you are right not a chance it would have been built with the current economic status.
It went through all of Justin's processes and met all the standards for approval yet he still would not approve it. Tell me one business that will want to operate in that type of climate?

While were on the topic of Justin another campaign promise broken. Non boiled water up north. What's his excuse? "Its hard and other governments did not do it" Yes you are correct but I do not think other governments promised they would

https://youtu.be/kTb1XbQApp4

So Trump shut down the Pandemic Response unit and was heavily criticized for that I am sue glad Canada never did that

Oh Wait Justin Trump

https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/09/08/...arning-agency/

I love how you always project the worst possible fantasies - always with zero proof - going into your deep insight of Justin Trudeau's mind. There is some meaningful debate as to whether Teck should have been approved or not. Probably not, because it wasn't economically viable with large environmental challenges. If they had approved it, or no approved, ok sure then I suppose you could have actually looked at the evidence, ignored it, and found Trudeau guilty regardless. But we didn't even get there! This was obviously a big decision regardless and I appreciate that they are taking their time to try and get these right. But oh no, lozen knows the secret real reason base on his feelings.


Agreed. Inexcusable. However, what's important here is that this is a spectrum not a binary yes/no. MASSIVE improvement has occurred under the excellent leadership of the Right Honourable Justin Trudeau on the indigenous poverty file from implimenting vast swaths of the the truth and reconcilliation commission reocmmendation down to actual dollars spent. But these issues are, as you say, hard to stamp it out entirely and so it isn't perfect yet. It is a stain on the national conscience that the previous conservative leader, as you suggested, wouldn't even bother promising clean drinking water.

LOL well Harper didn't do it so its OK that Justin promised to do it and didn't. Sadly Justi is a grifter and promises many things and doesn't deliver. Lets remember its Harper that shut down residential schools not Justin's father. Lets also remember it was Justin that fired the Indigenous cabinet minister after she had the audacity to say he was lying about SNC. What was Justins excuse the same as when the reporter accused him of sexual assault " I think she remembers things differently"

Do you actually read my posts before you start auto-typing your usually bland anti-trudeau fare? I literally said it was inexcusable and you turn that into me saying it is ok? I focused on how this particular issue is a spectrum and you turn that into a black and white "didn't do it".

Now when you actually look at the issues, it is a complex picture. First, the promised date was March 2021, so no, the promise isn't broken yet. Second, a LOT of progress has been made. The number of long-term advisories had dropped about 60% as of last feb with one year left to go. Thirdly, exactly how you measure this is challenging because a community can (and have!) gotten state of the art treatment plant costing tens or hundreds of millions, but local communities don't always connect pipes to every house and jurisdictions here are complicated (feds jurisdiction is for about 72% of the piping to houses) and training is complicated and manpower is complicated. A lot of progress here, but hard to measure. Fourthly, the trudeau promise focuses on long-term advisories but short and medium are important too, and again while progress has been particularly with implimenting the truth and reconcilliation recommendations, it is a systemic poverty issue otherwise you will keep getting these types of advisories popping up, but of course systemic poverty is a vastly harder problem to solve. Fifthly, it is much like paving roads, in that old systems will always break even if a new one has been put in one community away, so again this isn't a binary "did it/didn't do it", it is a spectrum. Sixthly, the trudeau framework cost about 1.8 billion total, and that is a LOT, but also not really nearly enough, because you have to fix these much larger systems like local supplies of trained labour etc etc.

Are you getting the complicated nature of this picture yet? Maybe don't use the struggled of indigenous candadians as part of your superficial anti-trudeau dunks, it isn't a good look.

Well here in Alberta were just to stupid and dont wead and wite well So when you leftist Art degree types use big words we get confused.
Maybe ezier if u just say Trudeau Good Trudeau Bad

Some of us were raised with values and taught don't promise what you cant deliver

that's ok, I didn't think you'd bother to engage with the facts in my post, so I'm not disappointed.

Isn't uke a mathematician?

Regardless of that, as someone with a firm foot in both camps (computer science and later psychology, though the latter in my country is not an arts degree) I fail to see the point of comments like this. I've worked with people with STEM degrees from oil, and I have worked with people with arts degrees, and I can't really say that the former have some special qualification that make them better suited to judge the state of nations.

I certainly wouldn't use the state of the oil industry as some sort of testament to the state of the nation. The oil industry will invariably be in flux due in large part to international / transnational trends. That is one of its weaknesses (and occasional strength).