Also Saskatchewan and Alberta and BC interior.

Meh I'm from one of those places

This is not a great win for Canada as it most likely will result in even worse conservative leader in four years. I wonder how many people voted for Trudeau did so because of the Halo effect? Man people are dumb.

Halo effect?

I expect another big former Harper staffer to gun for the Conservative leadership.. McCay? Kenney?...maybe even Doug Ford?

Well its over and not shocking

• NO shock on the NDP only positive is Singh but he may be another 2015 Trudeau talks well...…..
• Alberta nd Saskatchewan economies suck and the Liberals paid for it
• Green Party has to be disappointed I saw 8-10 seats for them
• How Edmonton Millwoods voted for a guy that lives in Ottawa over a liberal that was doing a great job baffles me

Lastly Scheer is describing this as a win is nuts. Scheer ran on the platform " Not as advertised" Yet that applied to him as well. Conservatives need to dump Scheer and select someone new.

How the Bloc can be a federal party is beyond me though Quebec basically said neither of these two idiots

Orly? Isn't this their most?

Yes 3 is an increase of ne I do believe but I think they expected to do better on Vancouver Island

I think Peter Mckay would have won and fine with that choice. Conservatives need to have a better plan for Climate Change. As much as folks hate the carbon tax it created jobs as well. Think of it as a sin tax on carbon.

Kenney is an idiot He scraps the Carbon Tax in Alberta and now with Trudeau winning the Federal Government will collect it and force it on us. Having the province collect it is by far better. Doug Ford is proving you can do as bad a job as the liberals before you.

As for Alberta sadly you need a PST of .05 cents

Took me a bit to get this. Trudeau should not allowed the rolling pervert to run again

The belief Alberta-wise is that between Notley and Trudeau, they pandered so much to Quebec and BC that Kinder Morgan had no choice but to walk. Pipelines fall under federal jursidiction, so Trudeau certainly had the jursidiction to cut through the problem. Instead, he dithered and eventually the free market did speak - he then had to buy the pipeline but as someone else said - it's bought but nothing is built yet.

This is exacerbated by the wide spread resentment of equalization payments massively favoring Quebec, and the belief that Quebec doesn't care one bit about the environmental impact of pipelines - they just want their piece of the pie. Many Albertans feel like the guy going to work and bringing home the bacon, and having their wife and kids tell him he can't use the car to go to work.

As for the election, whatever. This minority government has no chance to succeed, and I expect another election in under 2 years.

Right. As in, there is absolutely zero clue what conservatives would do, except to just be super super sure that with big strong conservatives in charge they would never have walked. Trudeau had been pro the pipeline since the beginning and his government was clearly massively in support (so much so they even bought it when kinder morgan walked). Maybe the conservatives could be even more massively in support than the liberals and maybe everyone gets a free NDP unicorn, what do I know.

At the end of the day this is about process concerns, which are always sort of secondary to the primary issues. Trudeau vigorously supported the pipeline. Albertans do to. When faced with a big snag, they bought the pipeline. Shouldn't albertans be OVERJOYED at this doubling down on the support? But no no, never an ounce of credit.

Although I'm a bit ignorant here about why you are blaming quebec so much for kinder morgan, is there a detail I'm missing? BC yes I get that one.

Sure. Alberta definitely won the geographic lottery with oil. But put on the veil of ignorance for a second. You don't know which of the Canadian provinces will get this massive economic boon from geographic luck. Would you not prefer a system with equalization payments?

Although using that particular sexist metaphor doesn't exactly help shed certain...uh...albertan...stereotypes...

Quebec has said no pipelines would run through it with Alberta's dirty oil. Quebec is all for a energy corridor without pipelines

Personally I am sick of sending all those transfer payments to Quebec. I think Albertan's see Quebec as Corrupt, racist and free loaders. Bill 21 and the fact they would not vote for a man wearing a turban tells you how racist they are. They say they are protecting their culture. Gimme a break. I wish they leave but sadly the aboriginals will never allow that to happen

Let me add that I voted for Notley the last two elections and Alberta needs to solve some of its own issues. It has the second highest cost per person on delivering services by province.
Sadly no politician wants to make the tough decisions

Personally I think we need to

• Bring in a 5% sales tax (exempt house purchases)
• Eliminate all funding for Catholic and private schools .
• Bring back Alberta Health Care payments ( Idiotic that we eliminated them)
• Bring back the Carbon Tax but stop handing it out to cities for bad infrastructure

Don't get me going on if I was Prime Minister

Process concerns do have value in being considered when a process is unnecessarily dragged out. The National Energy Board approved the pipeline in 2013, and with federal jurisdiction, that's supposed to be it. Instead, Trudeau is seen (rightly or wrongly) as being overly sympathetic to all the groups (Quebec, BC, and First Nations) who had issues with the pipeline, to the point that Kinder Morgan had to walk away. Is it better than he bought the pipeline than letting the project collapse? Sure. But we're still 6 years out from federal approval, and not one shovel has hit the ground, and the belief in Alberta is that it's because of Trudeau allowing process issues.

The problem isn't necessarily equalization payments. It's the combination of Quebec receiving the equalization payments while at the same time actively working to restrict Alberta's economy. Equalization payments themselves were a bit of a sore spot, and now it's being exacerbated by this seemingly anti-Alberta sentiment from Quebec, and the results of the federal election.

Actually construction has begun on the project. We have work that has started outside Edmonton

https://www.transmountain.com/news/2...ansion-project


As well Quebec gives its folks more free stuff which we pay for.

Quebec residents pay double the tax Albertans do

To be clear, the Trudeau government has approved it TWICE. They fought the court case that resulted in the first approval being over turned. They then bought the pipeline, approved again, and are now against the appeal on the 2nd approval.

Each party has their own narrative on process questions (because his support is unwavering, the only criticism is on process). The progressive thinks his deference to process that involves consultation and environmental assessments is just fluff because he obviously wants the pipeline and doesn't care what the process says. The centrists say that Harper's process was an utter joke that didn't care about indigenous duty to consult or environmental assessment, and so Trudeau set in forth a genuine and effective process that led to correctly approving the pipeline - twice. The right says the process was in effective too sensitive to these issues and gummed up the works. Personally, I find myself somewhere between the progressive and liberals on this, that it was important to do more meaningful assessments, and it might have been a tad to show, but nevertheless was much more appropriate than Harper's approval process and resulted in the approval in the end.

By the way, Trudeau just gave his post-election remarks and his number 1 priority is - wait for it - transmountain pipeline. His number 2? Cutting taxes. Why he keepings bothering to do doing things that appeals to albertans is beyond me.



"Equalization as long as they think highly of us" is a bit of a weird position, isn't it? It's true that both provinces think of the other as deeply immoral, Alberta for its inaction on climate change Quebec for its racist religious symbols ban. I think both are immoral, but whatever, the point is that support of equalization payments shouldn't really depend on these things.

This is "mostly false" or whatever the truthmeter settings are. Firstly, they mainly give their people "free stuff" out of their own high tax revenues. Equalization is a lower share of quebec's revenue than every other have not province except ontario. It is only a big number as they have a big population.

Secondly, the formula for equalization payments is based on potential to generate revenue from the citizens, a proxy measure of economic strength, so the fact that they "pay for free stuff" is a second order effect at best.

Finally, Alberta gives its citizens "free stuff" based on the same natural resource, much more than it gives away to Quebec and others. GG and all for winning the geographic natural resource lottery, but the equalization system explicitly discounts revenues from natural resources because (entirely correctly) these kinds of natural resources are best thought of as national resources that can help canadians in general, ideally with a fair distribution. Alberta is by far the biggest winner of course - and sadly has squandered much of that wealth and is in kinda shitty financial straights - but I think it is correct with a veil of ignorance type argument that it shares some of this wealth around. Even when you don't like the people you share it with.

Ah yes, I know of this. I was thinking he thought they were affecting the process questions of the transmountain etc through BC. Good for them.

Yes, definitely racist. As a secularist, their version of "Secularism" is disgusting.

Agreed on all four. Actually don't know enough about the fourth to comment but that sounds right

You got that right yet we keep voting the PC's back. Tomorrow the provincial conservatives deliver their first budget. Gonna suck if your public service including teachers and nurses.

I am curious how Trudeau handles Alberta scrapping the carbon tax. He should force it upon us right away but that is gonna rile up the folks. Kenny is talking about a provincial referendum on removing us from the equalization program. Not sure if he can withdraw from that constitutionally. Though we should be up for payments soon

Also I don't see Quebec sending us any cash plus we don't have $5 a day daycare
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...re-program.pdf

Doug Ford said if the Liberals won the election he would not take the carbon tax fight to the supreme court.

Well surprise, surprise Doug Ford lied and is taking it to the supreme court.

Honestly I think this minority will work out for the Liberals, they will probably force an election soon while Scheer is still leader and Ford is getting even more and more unpopular.. I think Trudeau will win another majority.

They don't have $5 a day daycare any more either. It has changed a couple times and now it is a sliding income based formula, although higher earning families still pay quite a bit less than other areas.

The Ford government recently put in a new child care credit system that has features that totally surprised me in terms of how much it can give back to families (which creates some potential issues in and by itself). This was one of their biggest "look at how much we care" issues, and I do not believe the whole system was properly thought out, and we will see more clearly next year after it has been in for a full tax year. As well, many municipalities have subsidy programs (funded by the province) on top of that as well that are income tested, so the disparity with Quebec in this area may not be quite what it was 20 years ago. The availability of child care in more rural and off normal hours (not all parents work 9-5) is a significant problem for many, regardless of the cost.

I do some volunteer work with lower income families to help them navigate all the various programs that exist and are available to them, and while the PCs tend to do more of a slash and burn approach to things at times, the Liberals create equally sloppy systems that toss money out without proper checks and systems in place to manage it, and that leads to huge wastes that the PCs when they are brought in try to fix with their scythe (OSAP is one of many recent examples).

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If the Conservatives keep Scheer I think you nailed it. Trudeau will have gone a few years hopefully with no scandals and a pipeline being built.


AS for Microdong I think the Buffalo News has a little less credibility than Rebel News on stories like this. Though I wish it was true

From a quick check it would appear that Buffalo Chronicle manages to be worse than Breitbart for bias and accuracy of their articles.

https://www.canadalandshow.com/the-b...-not-reliable/

The place is genuinely worse than Breitbart, they don't just skew things to look a certain way, they make things up wholesale. There is no owner listed on their website, most of their stories have no byline, they have no bios for any of their writers (most of whom haven't written for them for years. The extent of the information about their writers are emailto links, which includes the powerhouse of investigative journalism Time_to_relax@massagetherapy.com), and the company does not even seem to be registered anywhere.

I genuinely think posts linking to the site as a news source shouldn't be allowed.