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Old 10-15-2019, 02:09 AM   #101
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Who said anything about wanting to emulate it?

Because he thinks it's costing the country to much money? Nobody knows what the effect of any of these politicians policies will have? Who knows what effect promising free pharmacare and dental will have.
When he said you seemed to be basing your preference on personality over substance your response was that most people do that. Is there any way to interpret that other than it being a justification?


The point is that you said your two preferred candidates are the ones who want the MOST immigration and the one who wants the LEAST immigration.


Whether berniers motives revolve around race and whether you think more or less immigration is a good thing is completely besides the point.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:38 AM   #102
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Hey this election has done the same to me.

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But like....the carbon tax IS the major policy plank. And it's a big ****ing deal, despite being worst in G7, despite not being sufficient to meet Paris. Like, implementing national carbon taxes even if too low is a massive change. All the other stuff like methane and incentives and blah blah are icing on the cake. What's abundantly clear is that Scheer's plan will do much, much less. Like if you care about this file like even a little bit - if being the worst country in the G7 is something you think is bad - why would you support the person even worse?
My point is Trudeau is not doing enough. Yes Scheer will do less. I personally think Technology has to deal with the problem as Greed will dictate not enough being done. I went on vacation with 5 guys golfing. All very intellectual and 1 is skeptical on climate change, one does not believe its man made, other didn't care and 2 of us believe its real. Also unless you get 4 billion folks in China,India, Russia, Middle East to believe in it.....


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So all my life in Canada (also lived in US for a bunch) is BC or Ontario. In neither province do I really ever here people talking in federal politics about doing what's best for the province in isolation. Like BC residents might care about BC issues like shipping oil and Ontario residents might care about Ontario issues like auto industry, but Alberta residents seem to speak differently. The idea of getting someone specifically good "for Alberta" whatever the **** that means is like a key voting thing. I guess good "for Alberta" means two pipelines not the one he bought? I just don't get it.
Here in Alberta everyone loved our equalization payments and we are still paying them. Yet no one gives a crap (BC and Quebec) about Alberta's oil. I do think if the Trans Mountain gets held up more you will see a Alberta/Sask separation movement. I could get into the fact we have no leadership at the provincial level. (Alberta needs a sales tax and Id cut BC off Jet Fuel and Gas) BC really cares about the environments as it cumps raw sewage in to the ocean and allows all the US coal through its ports.

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Is this code for rejecting the idea of having a gender balance in cabinet? I can't say I really see "qualified cabinet" as a fundamental problem for trudeau. Besides, Harper had probably the most asymmetrically powerful PMOs in Canadian history where it didn't matter two hoots whether a cabinet minister was qualified or not, what the PMO wanted is what the PMO got, none of this privacy council "delivery unit" grease the wheels stuff that Butts brought in.
I don't care about a gender based cabinet. I care about a qualified cabinet. If its a 100% female all the power if their qualified. Trump played Trudeau with the arrest of the Chinese daughter and who paid the price Alberta and Sask farmers and beef and pork producers. Yet Trudeau will not interfere to save those jobs only Quebec jobs


AS for his campaign promises. Electoral Reform was big for me and balanced budget by 2020. As well I cant get passed Bill C16, Bill C69 and Bill C48 Two of those screw Alberta and one screws free speech

Hey I was super close to voting NDP but just could note vote Trudeau and I think Scheer is an idiot as well. His tax cuts help the rich.

The questions that come up after the election will be if Trudeau loses does he need to resign as leader as well as Scheer.


I was also close to not voting but I feel you must vote.

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Old 10-15-2019, 07:39 PM   #103
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Alberta really brought this mess on themselves.. and things in Alberta aren't so bad anyway they just seem really entitled..happy I don't live there anymore.

Record numbers for advance voting over the weekend is interesting.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:48 PM   #104
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Alberta really brought this mess on themselves.. and things in Alberta aren't so bad anyway they just seem really entitled..happy I don't live there anymore.

Record numbers for advance voting over the weekend is interesting.
Your partially right as they should have listened to experts 10-15 years ago and built more refineries. Though we still need a way to get that to market.

I could say that about Quebec as well
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:09 AM   #105
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Ya who knew 10-15 years ago pipelines would become such a political tool to the point where replacing 50 year old lines is controversial.
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:05 PM   #106
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So Obama has endorsed Trudeau.

It a shame we didn't get to see these two work together more instead we got Trump who really wasted everyones time with NAFTA and it might still not even get passed.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:52 AM   #107
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Real shame. Thoughts and prayers.
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Old 10-17-2019, 02:21 AM   #108
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So Obama has endorsed Trudeau.



It a shame we didn't get to see these two work together more instead we got Trump who really wasted everyones time with NAFTA and it might still not even get passed.
Seriously though
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Old 10-17-2019, 10:17 AM   #109
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So Obama has endorsed Trudeau.

It a shame we didn't get to see these two work together more instead we got Trump who really wasted everyones time with NAFTA and it might still not even get passed.
Please Obama had some substance. Today Trudeau speaking at a Podium that says "Standing up for Quebec"
Obama had a few mistakes in his presidency Trudeau has a book
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:58 AM   #110
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Please Obama had some substance. Today Trudeau speaking at a Podium that says "Standing up for Quebec"
Obama had a few mistakes in his presidency Trudeau has a book
Trudeau has been pretty great so far, at least economic wise.

But you don't think things would be much better if it was Obama in charge right now instead of Trump? Just think of the butterflys.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:21 AM   #111
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Trudeau has been pretty great so far, at least economic wise.

But you don't think things would be much better if it was Obama in charge right now instead of Trump? Just think of the butterflys.

Not in Alberta or Saskatchewan but BC and Quebec really don't care

As for Obama I don't know were the USA would be economically but assume they be chugging along fine.

I am curious what you think Trudeau has accomplished in his first term?

Other than Legalizing pot and the carbon tax which I approve of both and Pot would never happened under a Conservative government
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:47 PM   #112
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Most politicians get one major thing they really can do in a term. For instance, obama term 1 was obamacare, obama term 2 was supposed to be immigration, that didn't work. So I think the carbon tax is pretty equivalent to the sort of "one big thing" most politicians can do.

I'd say trudeau has done a lot, relatively speaking. The obvious next biggest thing was making the tax code more progressive with a big tax cut in the middle tax brackets partially offset by increases in a new highest tax bracket. I don't really like this policy (I think raise taxes on the rich, and spend it 100% on environment/energy not more tax cuts) but if you are someone who leans conservative then you should LOVE this and think trudeau is much better for every day canadians than harper's corporate tax cut (ie his "one big thing").

On smaller issues, beyond pot I think independent senators is actually going to have huge consequences, the syrian refugee project was massive and laudable, the process on environmental regulations and approach to science in general is vastly improved, he so supported pipelines so much he had the balls, rightly or wrongly, to ****ing buy it when needed, etc. And then there are the hundreds of little things that like most politicians either get done or abandonded along the way, see here: https://trudeaumetre.polimeter.org/#promises

At the end of the day for me it is super simple: Trudeau made an important, if modest improvement on climate change. Scheer will rip up even that modest improvement. Everything else is just icing.
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Old 10-18-2019, 02:13 PM   #113
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Most politicians get one major thing they really can do in a term. For instance, obama term 1 was obamacare, obama term 2 was supposed to be immigration, that didn't work. So I think the carbon tax is pretty equivalent to the sort of "one big thing" most politicians can do.
That is a terrible comparison. Obama couldn't get anything done as he lost the house and the senate. He had the first 6 moths or year but decided he could work with Republicans.

Sadly we disagree. I also think buying the pipeline was wrong.


Rumours going around why he lost his job at West Point Academy. One of the national papers was to lead with it but never did this week. That story would have cost him the election.
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:27 PM   #114
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Not in Alberta or Saskatchewan but BC and Quebec really don't care

As for Obama I don't know were the USA would be economically but assume they be chugging along fine.

I am curious what you think Trudeau has accomplished in his first term?

Other than Legalizing pot and the carbon tax which I approve of both and Pot would never happened under a Conservative government
For me the big thing with Trudeau is how he turned the economy and unemployment around, Conservatives will scream chicken little over how he did it but it is hard to argue with his results

He was a nice change of pace over Harper who like Mulroney before him was a sheer disaster in that regard.

I was born in Alberta who now lives in BC and I don't really think you can blame Alberta's struggles on Trudeau he is just an easy target because of the old man Trudeau... Alberta's troubles started with Harper and a Conservative provincial government too.

One big thing I disagree with Trudeau is the purchase of the pipeline but there have already been talks of the government selling it back to the first nations groups for billions more then they paid so that would be a big win if that happened.

As for those stupid teaching rumors about Trudeau it quite sad what the right does just their blind loyalty I hope one day someone will hold CPC and the right accountable for their lies.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:25 AM   #115
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For me the big thing with Trudeau is how he turned the economy and unemployment around, Conservatives will scream chicken little over how he did it but it is hard to argue with his results

He was a nice change of pace over Harper who like Mulroney before him was a sheer disaster in that regard.

I was born in Alberta who now lives in BC and I don't really think you can blame Alberta's struggles on Trudeau he is just an easy target because of the old man Trudeau... Alberta's troubles started with Harper and a Conservative provincial government too.

One big thing I disagree with Trudeau is the purchase of the pipeline but there have already been talks of the government selling it back to the first nations groups for billions more then they paid so that would be a big win if that happened.

As for those stupid teaching rumors about Trudeau it quite sad what the right does just their blind loyalty I hope one day someone will hold CPC and the right accountable for their lies.

Funny thing is I cant disagree with one thing you said and why I voted Trudeau last election as well. Though were we disagree is on Trudeaus 4 years in power.

Will be an interesting night Monday. The one interesting area may be BC saw lots of voters interviewed who said they voted Trudeau last election but not this one. Love to see Jody Wilson retain her seat as an independent
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As for those stupid teaching rumors about Trudeau it quite sad what the right does just their blind loyalty I hope one day someone will hold CPC and the right accountable for their lies.
It was about the same number of days before the election where the "jack layton gets happy endings at a massage parlour" story started circling around. It's FUD until proven otherwise and shame on those gleefully spreading this around social media.


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I also think buying the pipeline was wrong.
I agree. I think canadian politicians support for these pipelines is ridiculous. They shouldn't be built. But you voted for the guy who supports pipelines even more strongly than trudeau did. Why wouldn't you LOVE how much trudeau supported alberta and making sure it got its ****ing pipeline. Like you voted for the guy who is about to rip up even the modest step forward to climate change.

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That is a terrible comparison. Obama couldn't get anything done as he lost the house and the senate. He had the first 6 moths or year but decided he could work with Republicans.
It's pretty true of canadian politicians, UK politicians, etc. It's just hard to implement more than one truly major policy per term, it sucks so much political capital etc. Same is true of harper, after a decade in power how many truly major policy shifts can you actually name after the corporate tax cuts?

You can dislike some of the things trudeau has done, but he has done a fairly large amount in a short time frame if you delve down into the smaller policy issues as I listed a few. Heck, my criticism is more that they pushed too hard and aggressively on issues, that when they thought they had the right answer they jumped on it and made it happen (eliminating liberal caucus in senate, SNC and pipeline all fall into these categories).

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Old 10-20-2019, 06:27 PM   #118
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I didn't say I do not support the pipeline I meant I do not support the government buying it.

Oh I could put a list together of all the things I think Trudeau has done that should have him stepping down

I am good with my conservative vote. Imagine if the Conservatives had selected Maxine or Pierre they would be running away with this in my opinion.

Uke you keep telling me Trudeau is so much ahead of Scheer on Climate change. I have yet to hear what Trudeau is doing in the next 4 years just what he plans for 2050.
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:12 PM   #119
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So what would you have done when Kinder Morgan walked? I've trouble taking con faux outrage on this seriously. Cons LOVE pipelines. It's probably their number two or three policy plank. I don't think they should be built, but cons sure do. And the liberals took a path to ensure it would happen. Can you really be that upset about process details of how the pipeline the cons want built is going to get built?

I think its a great example of how Trudeau will never get credit from conservatives. He bought the pipeline they love, zero credit. He slashed middle class tax rates, zero credit.

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Uke you keep telling me Trudeau is so much ahead of Scheer on Climate change. I have yet to hear what Trudeau is doing in the next 4 years just what he plans for 2050.
This question is like asking what Harper's plan to help corporations is the year after he axed the legs off the corporate tax rate. That WAS the plan. And Scheer's plan, in the analogy, is to completely reverse it. So this is a defensive election, not an offensive one like 2015.

We've spoken already about how I have progressive critiques of the carbon tax, that it is too little, too late. However, it is an absolutely crucial mechanism that makes modest improvements now and can be scaled to make big difference in the future. Of course there are other planks whether it is the business tax credits, consumer tax credits, EV incentives, tree planting etc, but they're just frills in comparison to the importance of the carbon tax.

Scheer's plan is a bad joke: make polluters invest in technology and sell it to china! And more pipelines! Puhlease.

The simple fact is this: Voting for Scheer is equivalent to saying you do not give a **** about climate change. It is inexcusable in 2019, particularly after the decade of utter inaction under Harper. The same is true of the liberals, of course, but it is hard to have a more clear lesser of two evils problem.

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Old 10-21-2019, 11:16 AM   #120
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what would you have done when Kinder Morgan walked?

I hated bailing out Bombardier and think as a country buying a pipeline was wrong also. Let the free market figure it out. A pipeline is the safest way to transfer the oil to market.

You keep bringing up Harper I get Scheer is a clone but he is not Harper. Its like asking Trudeau any question and he never answers it He just says " Were here to protect you from Scheers Harper like cuts"
I have never seen a election were no one wants to answer a question plus first election were Veterans and Seniors are not in the conversation.

Here is why I can not vote Trudeau
  • GRoped a female reporter and when asked his response " I think she remembers things differently"
  • Black Face Video (video is disgusting"
  • Trying to influence the SNC Investigation and denying it
  • When Jody Ray Wilson came forward his answer " I think she remembers things differently"
  • For Strong Woman till they challenge him than he tosses them out of the party
  • 2 ethics violations the most of any prime minister
  • Refusal to apologize for SNC
  • Bill C16
  • Bill C48
  • Bill C69
  • Promised 0 Defecit by 2020 never delivered and now more defecits
  • Failed on Election Reform
  • Like the PC's screwing over Veterans

Here is what he did I credit him for :
  • Legalized Weed ( never use it but Had to be done) Id legalize everything. Problem is 40% of pot smokers still buy their pot illegally
  • Carbon Tax (though I think more needs to go to investing in clean tech. Provinces are guilty of waste)
  • His stance and approach to aboriginal affairs

I actually did consider voting NDP but I think Singh may be another 2015 Trudeau You know nothing about him , he talks a good game plus he is against the Trans Mountain

Trust me I hated voting Scheer but hated voting Trudeau more


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Old 10-21-2019, 09:00 PM   #121
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Still early, but looks like disaster thankfully averted.
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Yep disaster completely averted gj Canada
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In for additional lol Scheer
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This just in: go **** yourselves Conservatives
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