The "in what sounded like a slogan" part from Lilley is genuinely funny. I mean it's a little silly too - getting Carney on board here is meant to signal some serious new policy heft since he has that in spades and obviously this isn't the time to announce the details, but still funny.

Serious new policy I doubt that . Actually I am surprised Carney did this I thought he would be quietly waiting in the wings for Justin to step down or lose

The Liberal potentially could lose official party status. They are desperate.

The latest 338 poling indicates 77 seats. Official party status is 12. Even in the crazy 2011 election Harper got a majority AND the NDP surged to replace the liberals as official opposition, the Liberals even then had triple the number for official party status. Do try to keep your fantasies at least somewhat constrained to reality.

Based on rumblings: For ages a couple ITT have implied that if my #1 issue is climate change I shouldn't really support the Liberals I should support like the NDP cause aren't they "better". But no. Consistently, in jurisdiction after jurisdiction, climate change is something the NDP has given lip service to while their real motivating political cause is supporting lower class people. Which is fine, but their proposals on climate change are unworkable, their commitment to them shaky at best, and particularly provincially we've seen them regularly go the opposite direction. I predict that before the next election we will clearly see the NDP for what they are on this file.

Is that because they plan on opposing the carbon tax?

I think they are going to do the poilievre hat trick: oppose the carbon tax AND pretend that the carbon tax is a big contributor to costs (it isn't, it is probably the most cost effective carbon reduction program possible) AND have nothing of substance to replace it with. The only real difference between the right and the left is that the NDP will play a con to pretend like they care, but don't. At least the cons are honest.

I was thinking federally, but hey **** the provincial NDP too.



And notice absolutely zero mention of any plan to replace it with anything else? As I said?

So sad to be in this moment in history as the world shrugs off its collective responsibility to act and do anything at all.

If it helps you sleep tonight. Australia's carbon tax lasted 2 years.

Yes, Australia - like Canada - has long been a laggard behind much of Europe when comes to pricing carbon. Shame on them. Such is the consequence of a decade of conservative rule. Thankfully they are starting to pick up their act since 2022 putting in big climate change legislation, so if current polls play out Canada will take the banner of laggard back.

Fingers crossed!!

Your posts should be put in history books in fifty years as a testament to those who smugly stood by and cheered doing nothing nothing nothing to solve the crisis.

Europe considers Natural gas a green energy ? Justin Trudeau doesn't .

Though I am shocked Eby has said that I wonder if its because he is scared he may lose .

Spare me your pearl clutching. I'm confident I am on the right side of history on this one. The crises is not enough energy.

I don't think you know what this means. Do you think all the european countries with natural gas don't charge the carbon tax on emissions from natural gas?

Im sure they do. BC doesn't charge a carbon tax on power it really should as they import power from Alberta

Gee I wonder why Jagmeet and Eby would get rid of a carbon tax if 80% of folks get more back than they pay unless they know it not to be true

No, but the smartest technocrats accept the idea that "temporarily" using gas as a substitute for higher emissions stuff (coal/oil) for electricity generation is obviously better.

Not 100% of bureaucrats are complete idiots tbh

Why would power pay a carbon tax in Alberta AND a second carbon tax when imported to BC - that makes no sense. The carbon tax is always designed to be taxed at the jurisdiction where the emissions occur.

It isn't that either of these people is remotely unaware of the absolutely proven true fact that the fiscal effects (direct and indirect) of the carbon tax return more money to most people, nor are they unaware of reduced incomes via economic effects. Nobody "in the know" is confused. It is just pure politics. The carbon tax has become a political liability no matter how effective and well designed it is. They don't have the courage to do the right thing when they know it is politically costly.

The funny thing is that the NDP should be even MORE supportive of it than other parties, since they care about progressive taxation and one of the great things about the carbon tax is that it is also very progressive in shifting wealth from the rich to the poor, particularly in BC.

Trust me you’re not Copernicus …. Now u can believe science being wrong 1 on 3 millions chance is a good bet , go ahead and bet .

Would be pretty crazy if Quebec becomes the only province in Canada actually doing something.

The purse goes to those that do the works since those that do the works discover and profits from innovation .
I’m all good if that happens .

We normally talk about Canada ITT, but one of the main enforcement mechanisms I support globally is basically climate tarrifs. That is if jurisdictions do NOT have a carbon pricing mechanism, then there is a tariffs on goods from them. Definitely a possibility in Europe. The effect of something like this might be that Quebec gets preferential trading terms with countries versus other provinces. Or maybe all of Canada is ****ed until we change our tune and stop being one of the worst per capita emitters while doing nothing.

Why are you so shocked that those NDP leaders would change their policy to win votes ? Justin Trudeau did the exact same thing with Atlantic Canada

I’m not shocked, I’m disappointed. Remember how you used to go on that if I cared about the climate I should vote NDP and I said that time and time again they put their own political interests first and showed zero seriousness in ever doing some for the climate? Well I was sadly proven correct once again (presuming it plays out as expected).

Of course these two are nothing alike. Atlantic Canada was a slight delay in one small niche affecting a small region. I disagree, but it’s incrediably minor. The NDP might jettison the entire carbon pricing that you of course cheer on.

Maybe Trudeau should have known the NDP only signed the agreement because it's in their best political interest. But he's a narcissist and didn't care, either did liberal voters like yourself because it helped him stay in power longer.