Ok I am done with the Chiefs argument and moving on as the charges are dismissed and a large cash settlement will be coming.

Lets see you have hinted at the fact I am a homophobe and a racist and a conservative. Which I am none of. Though the only folks opinion I care on that is my friends and family.

It's worth noting that even in closing, you focus entirely on the victim of violence. You speculate about "large cash settlement" for the victim (I presume you think that is a bad thing, if it happens) but make no mention of the investigative process against the perpetrator of the violence. This isn't the end of the news cycle on this story, unless the only thing you care about it is criticizing the victim.



I didn't hint at that. Quote or gtfo. And you claimed I thought you were racist and homophobic before and I explicitly denied it. I'll do so again: i have no reason to believe you have any animus against BIPOC. I do believe your thinking about issues like that which intersect with race is extremely problematic. For instance, your insistence that race didn't play a role in the beating (you say the same would happen to you) but did play a role in dropping the bogus assault charges (you say the same wouldn't happen to you), this is very poor thinking that reveals a lack of sophistication around topics of race. I don't think you are a good ally for BIPOC. I don't think your contributions to the conversation are helpful. But none of that is the same as thinking you are actively a racist or a homophobe. For that matter, I don't even think you are a conservative, although I think you subscribe to some significant elements of conservative orthodoxy. The fact that you can't see this distinction, and conflate me criticism you poor commentary about a racial issue with believing you are racist, that is part of the problem.

This is also fairly problematic. I don't look to my family or friends as being particularly informative or helpful at advancing my perspectives on issues of race. I don't have an indigenous family member or friend. There is a lot of similarly problematic views about race amongst my family and friends. That just isn't a group I would look to to really affirm whether I'm doing a good job at being an ally, or to advance my thinking. Conversations on the internet almost never change minds dramatically immediately, but I'd hope you'd have a more open mind to keep wrestling with these issues of race so that you can advance your thinking. If you just sort of clam up and say well my family doesn't think I'm racist so nothing else to say, that's a problem.

See I am almost scared to go with the comments like " I have an Aboriginal Friend or I hire aboriginals and have many LGQBT friends "

Sadly that friend had a sudden heart attack and died at 40. I have hire aboriginal trades and I had brought lunch and discussed the whole Indian , Aboriginal and Indigenous thing his replay. " I was born an Indian and will die an Indian"

I also think I am very open to changing my opinions heck I was raised strict Christian reformed and will admit a huge homophobe into my 20's Today I am an Athiest and my attitudes to the LGQBT are always positive. Only reason I voted Rachel Notley was the fact she was trying to protect the rights of LGQBT students in the school system. Originally I liked Trudeau's vision and voted for him once.


And I wear a mask when out in public

Lets see for the week
Trudeau's right hand man Butts posts a racist tweet gets a pass from the media

Nothing like awarding a 900 million $ contract to your families fav charity
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ntract-to-run/

Happy Canada Day

https://youtu.be/L7_ZUBjuTi4

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gre...633289?cmp=rss

With them well beyond majority territory now, in a normal situation we'd be asking when trudeau pulls the plug and calls an election (or pushed a legislative priority the others have to say no to). Of course that isn't happening given coronavirus and the completely broke NDP, but for all intents and purposes this is a majority government now. Of courses conservatives should be absolutely thrilled about this, as they spent years telling us how terrible minority governments were and how we had to have majority governments for the stability of the country and give harper a majority to accomplish this.

I said to my sister yesterday whom has vote for him twice but will not again that he is the favorite no question. If he could he would pull the plug and call for an election and easily win. I think much of the credit also goes to Trump. Many folks will compare his job to Trumps.

Will see once the conservatives elect a new leader.

Though his 900 million $ contract to his wifes fav charity agin looks terrible


I also think you will see the Wexit party run candidates and win some seats. If the Bloc can do it why not Wexit.

So your sister stuck by him through SNC and blackface....and then...uh....competent management of COVID19 is the final straw that broke her back I guess?

She hated Scheer so that is why she voted for him again. If anything she doesn't like his sense of entitlement . She is not impressed with his handling of Covid and I know this week that 900 million $ contract pissed her off. I know during Covid she did not like the fact he told people to stay home not go to your lake lots and than he went to his cottage.
She says he in know way has held up to his promise of transparency and is to much like his father.

Trudeau's Still got my brother though but barely

Can you imagine voting for a completely different political party for trivial bullshit like this? This is the silliest of the things you mentioned, but notice how not a single one of them actually talks about major policy issues? It's a pretty sad state of affairs that things like this would swing people's political support

I only mentioned a few of them . Of course she was upset by the SNC thing, I think she accepted his apology on the blackface and gave him a pass on that

If it was just the cottage thing yes that is trivial. I could list everything that bigged her bit it be a long list. She supported him on the long gun ban as well.

I guess he is back tracking on his 900 million dollar deal to the WE group. Another example of his entitlement.


Like I said reality is he will win, Quebec will retain the Bloc seats and WEXIT picks up 5-6 seats. It will be a divided country.

Added point I expect Justin Trudeau to be telling the airlines " No your not opening up the center seats"

Like I said Trump makes him look like a Covid genius when in fact its been 9 premiers of all 3 parties that have done all the work. Quebec is a **** show .

I have a question for you. Do you think Justin Trudeau awarding a 900 million dollar contract to a charity his family is associated with is proper. Forget that he has backtracked that move

BREAKING: Ethics Commissioner launches investigation into PM Justin Trudeau's involvement in awarding $900M contract to charity with close ties to his family and the Liberal Party.
That’s 3 ethics investigations in 3 years!!! Canadians deserve better than this!

Lol, calm down buddy. You mean...the opposition has written the ethics commissioner three times, i.e. the thing that triggers an ethics investigation????? And like, it's the third time in 5 years, try to at least get your facts straight before you rush to find the exclamation mark key. They call them investigations for a reason, you get to judge whether canadians "deserve better" afterwards, not just because there is an investigation silly.

Remember previously when you did the whole "most ethics violations evar!!!" thing earlier in the thread while failing to mention that the office didn't even exisst previously to harper? That was fun.

Depends pretty crucially on the details. Of course any conservative LOVES sole sourcing of contracts, done all the time in the Harper administration, so that's not the problem. The charity seems broadly appropriate for the job, so that's not the problem. There's a wiff of smoke on conflict of interest, so I don't mind an investigation at all to see if there is any real fire there. Even in the worst case scenario, I'm struggling to give many shits about this. In the middle of a massive crisis where everything is moving at lightspeed compared to normal, they created a very laudible program, sole sourcing for speed is absolutely appropriate here, and turning to a known canadian charity they have a relationship with already and understand is all totally fine. If the commissioner finds they are deliberately trying to funnel money to enrich their friends or something, then we can come back and add your exclamation points at that time.

To be clear they were to administer the 900 million, it's not like they get that themselves, it's a couple million I think. They're previous high value contract from the federal government was barely 40,000.

Oh man you are NOT making your sister look good here. People should vote, primarily, based on the likely policies that will be implimented. Do you like the big tax cut package the liberals are running on or not? Do you want the transmountain pipeline built? Do you want a carbon tax? Like can you imagine somebody who supports the carbon tax voting for the conservatives because of "entitled attitude" BS? Sadly, I suspect your sister's poor focus on personal traits like that is far too common.

But maybe it was a family thing. You also focused on the "entitled attitude" of the chief over the brutal tackling, punching, and chocking by the police officer. Entitled attitude seems to be a BIG issue for you two.

If that guy is your brother and he non-stop rages about Trudeau and you do not fully agree with it - for many the easiest option eventually is just go along and say - yeah I aint voting for that guy anymore and then ask what he thinks about the Raptors winning the championship or poutine or something. Whatever distracts him - people in real life would know better what that is.

There was that Bernie Bro nutjob veggiefool or something that talked about how he would canvas and bully people into his beliefs as he knocked on their door and not leave until they agreed. He genuinely thought people agreed with him.

I do not rage against Trudeau I am quick to point out when I agree with what he has done as well. I am also as harsh on Kenney and agree that Andrew Scheer was Horrible. Actually my sister and I have courteous dialogue and yes I point out every time he does something wrong to her.
You forget I voted for him the first time but expected more

I could list everything I think he has done well and bad and of course my list would be weighted to the bad side. I only voted for Harper once. Though Harper did some good as well

I do take personal issue to people who in a back handed way call my sister stupid and suggest I am a racist , homophobe and conservative

I completely understand your point, and you know what - they are great! I will certainly not vote for him or his party again as a result of interactions with you, and definiteluy no need for more detailed lists on your part - your job is done.

Anyways, what do you think about the Raptors as champions and are you a yes or no person with regard to poutine?

All the best.

There will be no NBA playoffs this year do to the horrible job Trump did on Covid. THe bubble should have been in Winnipeg. Nothing to do or see there

I do believe Pierre Trudeau created it and as I recall Harper has one violation as well

History of the Office. The Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner was created under the Federal Accountability Act. This legislation received Royal Assent on December 12, 2006. The part that relates to the Office, the Conflict of Interest Act, came into effect on July 9, 2007.

This is the third time you have - falsely - claimed I suggested you were racist and a homophobe (actually I think it's the fourth, but too lazy to check). I've denied it explicitly. I've elaborated at some length about my denial. Nevertheless, you persist with the lie despite failing to quote anything I've said that is close to this.

I think this reveals quite a bit more about you than it does about I. You have conflated me criticizing your positions on issues that intersect with race or transgender issue with me thinking or implying you are a racist or a homophobe (wouldn't it have been transphobe on the issue we disagreed on?). That's a problem. If you simply write off criticisms of your bad positions as personal insults about you being racist, it's going to be very hard for you to develop your thinking. Similarly with your sister. I think your brief caricature of your sister's opinions are bad, for reasons that I've explained, but that is not the same as thinking she is "stupid".

Of course you do.

How about those Raptors!

Ontario looking at partial back to school plan

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ont...ents-1.5011517

Tough choice for parents as well for teachers. What if your a teacher in the high risk categories I get why you may not want to return. Do you split the the day into 1/2's and teach 1/2 in the AM and 1/2 in the PM and focus on core subjects.
Though than you have the childcare issue.

Yeah it's going to be messy. The child care thing will mess up a lot of struggling families. High risk teachers is another factor for sure that I haven't even thought of.

The numbers are pretty good here. We have a major hospital in Toronto that has discharged all covid patients.

Kids are starting summer camp. They will be segregated into small groups and solely participate within their group. I imagine that will make tracking and tracking much easier. Also will have their temp taken every morning.