These two things are a contradiction. Either you think Canada should follow the laws (PMs don't decide people's bail! duh!) or you don't. You don't get to play both. And you don't get to be huffy about SNC any longer either.

I knew you would get me on that one. If You donèt think the PM can direct his justice minister to do something..... se SNC or his attempt to

You ever think I said that just so you would point out the Justin Trudeau did the SNC thing

Charges dropped against the chief

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/cha...rest-1.4998072

We all knew that was coning. Special status for Aboriginals. If I behaved that way chances are I end up with a record and tasered .


I just do not see how Trudeau opens the border before Sept 1 to the USA.

The Americans are infecting each other in numbers that are staggering. Some states mandatory masks

What a bizarre cultural moment we are in. Despite historic multinational protests talking explicitly about police treatment of people of colour, the perception among some white people still is that the people of colour have the advantage, the "special status" and the white people are the ones who would get it worse. It's shockingly discordant.

No what I am trying to say is. I would get the same beating and end up with a record. The Media would not care and many would say I got what I deserved.The only reason he walks is because he was of a different skin color. I am not denying that aboriginals and other members of color experience racism that I never will especially aboriginals .
I have absolutely no sympathy for the chief . I may be a bit biased as he is well known for his corruptness which doesn't escape any ethnicity


Let me ask you this do you think statues of John A Mcdonald should come down?

Notice the contrast. You are convinced that skin color doesn't play a factor in the brutal assault of a peaceful victim at the hands of the police. Race definitely didn't factor in there, in your mind. But that they didn't proceed on resisting arrest, you are completely convinced absolutely race did factor in it, despite not even attempting to dig into the actual merits (normally people need to run or physically attack or drive away to get resisting arrest convictions, not the mild non-compliance he displayed).


I don't have strong opinions one way or the other. Certainly any history of him needs to include the absolutely abhorrent policies policies he implemented against chinese and indigenous people.

Strong moves: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/don-...tive-1.4999873



This is obviously an extremely challenging file. Trudeau argues really well here about the issue of not setting a precedent where China, or any other country, and just arbitrarily arrest Canadians and we will capitulate to their political demands. Regardless of whether you end up side with trudeau's position or that of the big letter, you have to appreciate the strong leadership from Trudeau.

Lozen you seem like a good guy, but you might want to ask yourself what kind of "special treatment" aboriginals received in the past that would lead to today's walking on eggshells approach

Toronto to implement police reforms

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/you...form-1.4999542

No I do not think race played a role in the pull over of the truck. It had expired plates. The reason the stickers are different colors and placed on opposite sides every year makes it easy to see if someone is driving with expired plates.

Do I think aboriginals suffer racism? No question at all. In fact I think they experience it the most. I just think the Chief used his aboriginal status and everything going in the police world to capitalize off the incident.

I would like to hear from the officer that charged him and took him down what his reasoning was.
Do you think he should be fired? I do not .

I agree with you on this one his position is correct.

Though strong leadership would have been firing Butts again for his racist tweet referring to Texas or the South USA as "White Congo"

I am ashamed of what our country did with residential schools . Both the government and the Catholic Church and thats just a small part that has gone on.

I have no question aboriginals suffer more racism than any other culture in Canada and just not from the White CDN's

There is no simple solution to the problem but throwing more and more money at it will not fix it either.

I am just talking about the Chief in this matter. I have stated earlier that the RCMP have a terrible history on racist actions. I am focusing on this lone incident.

Really? Capitalize? You think this guy.....capitalized....off the incident?



Dude, the guy was brutally assaulted, tackled, punched while lying on the ground, and choked. You criticized the victim over and over already. But even now, you're still going on about how the victim "capitalized" on this. Sickening.

It's great that you nod along and say the right things about police racism against aboriginals, yet you insist race couldn't have played a factor here. Heck, you are so confused that instead of discussing whether race might have influenced the assault, you focus on whether race influenced...uh.....the expired plates being pulled over. Come on man, be better than that.

And then you flipped it around and after denying any possible form of racism on the police officers you instead were certain that race was the reason the charges were dropped. Remember, they charged the chief with assault! Not the guy who was caught on video doing an assault! It is CORRECT to drop that charge, yet you insist only now is race the real secret reason.



Why do you want to hear form him if you have pre-judged that he should not be fired. We have strong video evidence that he violated police protocol and use excessive force where it wasn't warranted. Of course a proper investigation should interview the police officer, and maybe what is plainly apparent for all but lozen to see will turn out different in that investigation, but it sounds like your mind is already made up. By the way, it was released yesterday that he is currently facing chargers for a previous off-duty assault.

Yes he ended up getting the charges dropped and I guarentee his slimeball lawyer will be going for a cash payday.

If the officer has a previous assault on his file and the Independent inquiry board determines the officer was in the wrong than yes his job should lost.

Ill leave it at this I believe in personal responsibility and you need to be responsible for your actions. If your in a place of Authority you have a higher standard.
The Chiefs conduct was deplorable and criminal and he should resign as the Chief. He turned a simple traffic stop into assault and resisting arrest
The first officers actions were very good. The second officers actions according to the video look like assault. Though I can not see in the video were the chiefs hands are reaching. If this is his second offense than his job should be lost

Bottom line is If I had done that I would expect the same outcome and the charges would never be dropped

Let me add is that the police photo or did his lawyer say " No do not clean up we need to make it look as bad as possible" Little soap and water and he has a black eye .

Why do you always save your worst language like "deplorable" for the victim of the assault, and the not the person who committed the assault? The police office should have personal responsibility too, right? As a position of authority who committed an assault should you be calling for HIS resignation as opposed to obsessing over the victim? Even his lawyer you are calling a slimeball but not the police officer of course!



The victim was charged with assaulting a police officer. Where? What timestap? This is nonsensical fabrication and it OBVIOUSLY should be dropped. Nothing to do with race as you are so convinced. This was a trumped up charge, my guess likely to make the fact that the police officer assaulted the victim seem justified. Resisting arrest is a bit more grey, but my understanding is that when a victim is non-compliant but doesn't run away, doesn't drive away, doesn't try to attack the police, but is just non-compliant that this type of behaviour doesn't lead to successfull prosecutions of resisting arrest. You again seem to think that only race was why they were dropped (despite being convinced there is no way racism could have played into the assault in the first place).

You do not know why that officer came charging in what if he saw the Chief grabbing at the the other officers gun or taser? Ill let the investigation decide that.

Baffles me that you do not think the Chiefs actions are deplorable?

As for the lawyer. He has a reputation in this city and I have personally met him and he tried to hire me to manage his renovation of Glen Sathers old house. I turned down the job as the way he conducted himself with a roofer was deplorable

We have the video. Timestamp or gtfo.

Baffles me that you do not think the Chiefs actions are deplorable?

I am starting to believe that the deification of any and all people in public spaces should probably be prohibited. Private property, do your thing but not public.

The problem with it is that statues and the like displayed that way are very one dimensional celebrations often without any context.

I think museums or very specific PUBLIC places dedicate to such displays where some history and context can be given is fine. A 'Prime Ministers Square' or such places. Or in a gov't building dedicated to a historical figure, again with info giving more context, but otherwise, ya, I see this as problematic.

But just in general, I see it as problematic.

WE have a mural painted on a LRT station of a bishop and a nun removing a baby from an aboriginal woman with a residential school in the background and you think that is a no brainer it needs to be painted over. Nope

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/renewed-...tion-1.4983388

That mural should be removed. But not painted over, if they could raise money to have it removed (bricks and all if directly on brick) and taken to the RAM, as the story of why it was created and the view at the time is important.

Damn i just cant see the border opening before Sept 1 st. #USACHITSHOW

Trump makes the idiot look like a genius

Good idea. Keep pivoting back to the victim blaming. Attacking the victim over and over - and now trying to get me to attack the victim too despite pretty clearly laying out my views on it already - is bullshit. Yes, yes, we know lozen, he said some naughty words and had a bad attitude and you are very mad about this. But there is no need to just start making up random hypotheticals (after asserting race wasn't a factor):

Timestamp or gtfo.

Sounds like a no-brainer until, ya know, you actually read what the article said which adds some pretty important context you strangely ignored entirely:

Disagree with the details of the reconciliation approach if you wish, but just ignoring all of this in your post is just terrible posting.

In most of these incidents of police abuse those who defend it resort to the 'Fear of what might happen next' defense.

The 'you are not being beaten or murdered for what you did prior or what you are doing now, at this time. You are being beaten or killed out of fear of what might happen next if I do not beat or kill you'.


I would expect some flavour of that reply from lozen.