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03-16-2023 , 11:39 PM
I rarely look at my power bill. But Lozen peaked my interest. I paid 24$ carbon tax on a 122$ natural gas bill last month.

Uke you also never factor in the fact that many people do not get a refund.
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03-17-2023 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
I rarely look at my power bill. But Lozen peaked my interest. I paid 24$ carbon tax on a 122$ natural gas bill last month.

Uke you also never factor in the fact that many people do not get a refund.
Ya that is a much more believable number, maybe lozen is heating a mansion with the windows open?

And who exactly are you talking about? People who don’t file taxes?
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03-17-2023 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Ya that is a much more believable number, maybe lozen is heating a mansion with the windows open?

And who exactly are you talking about? People who donít file taxes?
No that's for the house and the garage suite and garage .
$88 was a high last month it was $48

Well no worries I'm hoping this latest scandal takes the Liberals down and Pierre scraps the carbon tax
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03-17-2023 , 10:29 AM
Now that I reside in BC I am learning more about this lovely province. Also I live in a strong Conservative region

I never knew they had no carbon tax on electricity.

Now I find out that BC is a 100 billion in debt but ran a surplus of over 5 billion due to Natural Gas Royalties and tax revenue. So you think they would apply it to the debt. Nope

I never knew their deficit is so large .



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...574e3347&ei=27
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03-17-2023 , 10:31 AM
Ah ok. So living in BC do you rent out the garage suite and the main house of this second resident separately? And all those people as well as you all get the carbon tax rebates right? For, checks notes, 48 bucks in a big winter month?

Regardless, we are FAR away from the sweeping claims by you and poilievre about increasing affordability. The money is mostly rebated. It’s a TERRIBLE tax to cut if you want extra money in people’s pocket. Yes it’s distributed unevenly and if you are heating the garage in your second home with gas then you probably use more carbon than the average person and should probably be a net loser. That’s a feature not a bug.
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03-17-2023 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Ah ok. So living in BC do you rent out the garage suite and the main house of this second resident separately? And all those people as well as you all get the carbon tax rebates right? For, checks notes, 48 bucks in a big winter month?

Regardless, we are FAR away from the sweeping claims by you and poilievre about increasing affordability. The money is mostly rebated. Itís a TERRIBLE tax to cut if you want extra money in peopleís pocket. Yes itís distributed unevenly and if you are heating the garage in your second home with gas then you probably use more carbon than the average person and should probably be a net loser. Thatís a feature not a bug.
Yes the house is rented separate and the garage. I have heat the parking area to protect the water lines in the winter. So you are correct that each individual gets a carbon tax credit or the person that pays the bills

Hey I am in favor of a carbon tax that only rebates certain individuals or no one and that is audited to ensure that money goes to the right areas . As it is now I do not support it as its just targeted to charge conservative voters more and distribute their money to liberals
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03-17-2023 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Yes the house is rented separate and the garage. I have heat the parking area to protect the water lines in the winter. So you are correct that each individual gets a carbon tax credit or the person that pays the bills
Ok great. So what we are talking about is a minimum of 3 people, and possibly more if any are couples or have kids, so let's say a minimum of ~1600 in rebates. And you are complaining about a $48 dollar winter month heating bill because you are heating a whole garage due to shitty piping. Ok.

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Originally Posted by lozen
Hey I am in favor of a carbon tax that only rebates certain individuals or no one and that is audited to ensure that money goes to the right areas . As it is now I do not support it as its just targeted to charge conservative voters more and distribute their money to liberals
None of this makes any sense. It rebates the same amount across the board and even if you stupidly use rural/urban as a proxy for conservative/liberals you realize that the carbon tax gives a subsidy to rural areas, right? And you realize that rich urban areas also pay more on average, right?
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03-17-2023 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Ok great. So what we are talking about is a minimum of 3 people, and possibly more if any are couples or have kids, so let's say a minimum of ~1600 in rebates. And you are complaining about a $48 dollar winter month heating bill because you are heating a whole garage due to shitty piping. Ok.

None of this makes any sense. It rebates the same amount across the board and even if you stupidly use rural/urban as a proxy for conservative/liberals you realize that the carbon tax gives a subsidy to rural areas, right? And you realize that rich urban areas also pay more on average, right?
See this is were you just cant comprehend it. A farmer in Alberta does not have the option of public transit or a LRT. At best he has a school bus. Everywhere else he is required to drive and that uses fuel . Carbon tax impacts rural individuals more than city dwellers

We just disagree on how the rebates are distributed and if they should be there at all

AS for a garage with shitty heating . You do understand that the large overhead doors at best provide R12 insulation and I must keep that area heated are face frozen pipes. All my homes built in YEG actually exceed Step Code 3 which is required in BC .
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03-17-2023 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
See this is were you just cant comprehend it. A farmer in Alberta does not have the option of public transit or a LRT. At best he has a school bus. Everywhere else he is required to drive and that uses fuel . Carbon tax impacts rural individuals more than city dwellers
That seems to be a no, you were not aware that the carbon tax has a bonus supplement that applies to rural people. In contrast to your claims about targeting conservatives, they given a benefit to more conservative areas. And it seems likely you are similarly unaware the carbon usage tends to be higher with wealthier people (they consume way more things!) which congregate in urban not rural areas.

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AS for a garage with shitty heating . You do understand that the large overhead doors at best provide R12 insulation and I must keep that area heated are face frozen pipes. All my homes built in YEG actually exceed Step Code 3 which is required in BC .
I don't know anything about building homes, but it seems silly to me that your house is built so you are required to heat the garage. Hopefully we can have home designs that avoid this waste in the future.
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03-17-2023 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
That seems to be a no, you were not aware that the carbon tax has a bonus supplement that applies to rural people. In contrast to your claims about targeting conservatives, they given a benefit to more conservative areas. And it seems likely you are similarly unaware the carbon usage tends to be higher with wealthier people (they consume way more things!) which congregate in urban not rural areas.

I don't know anything about building homes, but it seems silly to me that your house is built so you are required to heat the garage. Hopefully we can have home designs that avoid this waste in the future.

To explain why the garage or garden suite require heat . Keep in mind all the water lines run up to the suite code does not allow them to be in the walls . That requires you to maintain the temperature above zero in the lower portion portion . Keep in mind this only in extreme conditions .

So that $80+ dollars is in extreme cold in the summer months I would guess the carbon tax to be $20-$30

So what's your take on Trudeau's refusal to call a public inquiry into the election interference scandal
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03-17-2023 , 08:07 PM
Let me put it this way. You are maintaining at least three full separate buildings, your BS residence, the garage/suite, and the second house. Of course that takes a lot of gas. But it is spread out among many people because of the renters, so it isn't remotely unfair that of the $1600+ the people in those buildings are getting in carbon tax you spend 20 in the summer and even 80 in the peak winter month (which still seems crazy high but whatever, alberta). This all sounds like the system working!
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03-18-2023 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master

And who exactly are you talking about? People who donít file taxes?
Yes, which is millions of Canadians. Mostly lower income who feel the effects of the increased costs the most.
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03-18-2023 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Yes, which is millions of Canadians. Mostly lower income who feel the effects of the increased costs the most.
I have no clue how lower income families do it? The cost of food alone


Sure glad that carbon tax has solved the global climate crisis and lowered Canada's emissions dramatically

Uke is like Trudeau deflecting from the situation of were China may have aided electing Trudeau with his blessing and refuses to even comment on that.
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03-18-2023 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Yes, which is millions of Canadians. Mostly lower income who feel the effects of the increased costs the most.
Lol. Somehow conservatives pretending to care about poor people who don't file taxes not getting the suite of government benefits, I just can't square that circle in my mind. Maybe you would support a progressive idea like universal basic income, but something tells me you don't really care about helping poor people get easier access to government benefits and more care about just taking any random dump on the carbon tax you can find.
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03-18-2023 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Uke is like Trudeau deflecting from the situation of were China may have aided electing Trudeau with his blessing
Full on conspiracy mode I see.
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03-18-2023 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen

Uke is like Trudeau deflecting from the situation of were China may have aided electing Trudeau with his blessing and refuses to even comment on that.
You really believe that ?
After the Huawei and the other incident of JT talking the press while XI jinping was very frustrated about it ?

Wasn’t conservative complaining about trudeau action vs the executive of huawei ?

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 03-18-2023 at 05:40 PM.
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03-18-2023 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Lol. Somehow conservatives pretending to care about poor people who don't file taxes not getting the suite of government benefits, I just can't square that circle in my mind. Maybe you would support a progressive idea like universal basic income, but something tells me you don't really care about helping poor people get easier access to government benefits and more care about just taking any random dump on the carbon tax you can find.
Nice attempt to deflect. Your argument has always been it's neutral for people with small "carbon footprints" and that rebates actually help people. But millions of Canadians don't actually get the rebates. I take dumps on terrible ideas yes.
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03-18-2023 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Nice attempt to deflect. Your argument has always been it's neutral for people with small "carbon footprints" and that rebates actually help people. But millions of Canadians don't actually get the rebates. I take dumps on terrible ideas yes.
Most government programs require people to file taxes, like you also only get the Canada Child Benefit if you file taxes. I don't know why on earth you, as a conservative, are deciding to nitpick this specific government program using the completely standard mechanism. If you owe taxes to the government, it is appropriate you only get the rebate if you actually file and pay your taxes, this seems like a basic thing conservatives would care about. I care more about people who are net owed money by the government, and absolutely would support progressive programs that makes it easier for poor people who are owed money to get it in an easier way, but conservative orthodoxy is typically against such things.

But there is very little of this that is specific to the carbon tax. It isn't like you would support the carbon tax if it automatically distributed to everyone regardless of whether they owed taxes or not, and something tells me that if it was paying out rebates to people who owed the government taxes you would be shrieking even more.
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03-18-2023 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
You really believe that ?
After the Huawei and the other incident of JT talking the press while XI jinping was very frustrated about it ?

Wasnít conservative complaining about trudeau action vs the executive of huawei ?
It took him forever to make that ruling .

Amazing how you believe Trump and Russia collusion

Imagine if Trump appointed Rudy to investigate him that's what's going on with Trudeau

If he is all good agree to the public inquiry and let Telford to testify
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03-20-2023 , 03:24 PM
THis could be an interesting motion the Conservatives are bringing to the house for Katie Telford to testify which the liberals have been blocking though fillibusters

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...49084145e&ei=9

Trudeau could make this a vote of confidence putting his puppet Jagmit in a tough situation
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03-20-2023 , 04:09 PM
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It took him forever to make that ruling .

Amazing how you believe Trump and Russia collusion

Imagine if Trump appointed Rudy to investigate him that's what's going on with Trudeau

If he is all good agree to the public inquiry and let Telford to testify
I’m not saying jt is smart .
But I certainly do not adhere that jt is in bed with China .
It is multiculturalism over the top from his father that makes him do stupid thing like this .
Or saying Canadian as no culture or core identity and stupid stuff like that and so afraid to affirm himself under the threat of going called a racist if he does ….
That is the problem of jt .
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Yesterday , 09:56 AM
Wow Trudeau did the right thing and is having Han Don leave caucus

If these recent allegations are true he needs to be kicked out of the party

https://globalnews.ca/news/9570437/l...haels-sources/
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Yesterday , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Wow Trudeau did the right thing and is having Han Don leave caucus

If these recent allegations are true he needs to be kicked out of the party

https://globalnews.ca/news/9570437/l...haels-sources/
Correction he is sitting as an independent
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Yesterday , 03:31 PM
The fact that the Liberals will not answer the question . This is so disgusting if this is true


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