This is mostly me too. I've never had any particular affinity for Trudeau the person. My #1 policy objective (climate change) and his #1 policy plank (carbon tax) are well aligned - and I didn't like the NDP plan in the last election - which keeps me hoping for Trudeau to win.

Regardless polls would need to radically change for it to be anything but a CPC win - quite likely a majority - next time around.

As a Canadian conservative I'll take 100 years of Trudeau before I take 5 years of Jagmeet Singh. If you dislike "Performative Trudeau" please don't tell me Singh is better.


I've switched into liking Trudeau but not for normal reasons. Didn't like him at first, but his recent policies on massive immigration have been financially beneficial for me as a landlord... The conservatives would put an immediate cap on it, so I will vote for my wallet in the next election.

I know this may sound fatalistic, but what does it matter what Canada does for environment if China and USA is responsible for 30% and 14% respectively for the world's pollution. Doesn't seem like the carbon tax had any worldly aggregate effects.

Prove me wrong.

I don't find this argument convincing. Per capita, Canada is worse than the US and a lot worse than China. Yes we are a small country in everything but geographical size, but I think we have a moral burden commensurate with our size to act. Yes, it will take many nations all working in concert together. Canada took a big step forward with the carbon tax, yes not big enough, but nevertheless. Biden took a big step forward, yes not big enough, but nevertheless.

Maybe a similar way to think about this would be donations to charities. As someone with a normal middle class job, my donations don't matter on a global scale. It matters much more what Bill Gates does than what I do. But that doesn't mean I should fatalistically not donate anything.

Well that is a genuinely new take for the thread

Well of course acting in good faith shouldn’t be only acceptable when everyone else does it .
U wouldn’t act in good faith at that point but acting in a normal way when everyone does it .

Hey I don't blame you immigrants are way better tenants than the average CDN.
They respect the property and pay their rent .

It was the one thing I admired about him when he took in all the refugees when he first got in .

I cant believe I missed this so you think the conservatives win a majority next election?

Current polling certainly has them within majority territory

Here we go again with polievre …

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada...federal-budget

« The Tory leader accused Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of fuelling inflation and making it harder for Canadians to feed and house their families. »

Let’s fight inflation by giving more money to the people …
and he thinks himself an expert in finance ?

Yes sure cut tax and hope government will repay its debts with magic .

I agree with him on cutting spending but I am curious how you make it easy to build new houses? Both him and Justin make this pledge. Material costs and labor costs are what are fueling par of it.
As for taxes the only one to cut or eliminate is the carbon tax

Ho boy lozen …

His that proof enough now why tucker Carlson is out of his mind and just keep saying nonsense thing ?

Lol ….

Worth noting the obvious lie of polievre that of all the possible taxes you could cut, the carbon tax is the one that does the least on the deficit because it is mostly revenue neutral. Of course, it requires people to buy in to the lie to make repeating the lie worth saying.

I rarely watch Tucker and his message many times I do not agree on just as I don't agree with much of Rachel Maddow says .
I did watch his Jan 6 video shows out of interest but it still was an insurrection to me a stain on US Democracy .

Oh I never said it does anything to reduce the deficit . I am not sure Pierre has said this but it will reduce the cost of living

you just repeated the great lie of poilievre. Most of the money is rebated. If you want to reduce cost of living via “tax cuts” you should cut anything but the carbon tax.

Oh sure, people debate smaller second order affects like that it can be a net harm to high carbon using people vs a net benefit to low carbon using people, or debate the difference between 90% and 100% rebated, or debate larger economic effects. Let’s grant you your side of all of those. It would still is a terrible way to reduce the cost of living because still most of the money is rebated. And he - like you - always forget that side when you make this point.

please tucker messages (and fox) represent vast amount of your views from the right and far right...
Polievre is an addict of his views and others like him.


here is an example but change the name with trudeau....
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...sts-fraudulent
"Traveling by private jet is literally the last thing that Father Pete should ever do. "

Damn this pipeline is costing a ton

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...1fb21e5c&ei=95

That is the great myth Justin has you believing

Myself I get a Climate Carbon credit of $539.00 Trust me I pay way more than that in Carbon tax

I rather doubt you've actually ever done the calculations to determine whether you pay more or less than your rebate amount, but it doesn't matter. You might be in the minority of Canadians who live a high carbon tax lifestyle and thus pay more in the tax than you receive back in rebates, but that is a feature not a bug. There is no myth there, except of course when people like you and polievre pretend that you can substantially cut cost-of-living by removing the carbon tax while just entirely ignoring the rebates.

See you live in BC were hydro is not subjected to a carbon tax. Last month alone in my Edmonton house my Carbon tax just to heat my home was $88.00

I was shocked when I looked at my BC Hydro bill and it was not subject to a carbon tax

So the special rapporteur has been selected by Justin Trudeau and shock and awe its a skiing buddy of his and involved in the Families Trudeau Foundation

Im sure it will be independent

One sec, you are saying the portion of the carbon tax for ONE MONTH is 88 dollars just for home heating?

I'm not sure why you would be shocked that BC Hydro which uses hydro power (hint: it's in the name) would not charge a carbon tax.

Is 100 % of BC power from damns ?

I'm sure you are capable of googling, but the overwhelming majority comes from hydro-electricity and other renewable sources. It's not some *shocking* scam that your electricity bill in BC doesn't have a carbon tax and your (I'm still not sure I believe 88$/month carbon tax on home heating) gas bill in alberta does not.

It's also worth noting that since you live in BC, presumably this house you are complaining about in alberta is occupied by renters? If so, note that they ALSO get the carbon tax rebates and these costs are ultimately passed to them via rent. So if you are someone who uses much more than the average canadian by maintaining multiple households - one with insane home heating bills - then yes you might be one of the minority to be a net loser of the carbon taxes. Imagine the extreme and you owned a 100 homes and got back only 539 in carbon taxes, do you see why that isn't a good argument?