As someone with young kids who gets tremendous joy and purpose from them, the first paragraph is utter nonsense. Of course people can and regularly do fine joy and purpose other ways.

Last sentence though I surprisingly completely agree with.

lmao at indoctrinated. Wtf are you even talking about

" there has never been a better time to be alive throughout humanity."

I'd love a thread on that for the North American and European view (and to not derail this one too much). Because I think it's demonstrably false (particularly for the middle class).

I think the doomsday clock does a pretty good job of explaining why it's demonstrably false. Back to Sam Harris, he's pretty aligned there. This is a pretty challenging time for humanity.

I also wasn't expecting it, but this book covers another reason why I believe it's definitely not true that life is better now than say 1990-2000.

https://www.amazon.ca/Stolen-Focus-A.../dp/0593138511

So if the Queen kicks the bucket do we change all our currency like the UK and Prince Charles appears on all our money?

Another Random knife attack in Edmonton and still no ban of knives from Justin. How many mass tragedies does it take?

Ya all the roads gonna be King's Way too.

TLDR

So !
Who will be the big winner tonight ….

I think Pierre wins it . I am not sure are they going ahead with it after the Queens death?

No idea .

It looks like it will proceed but be respectful of the Queen. No need to shut everything down.

Its the first time I bought a membership so I could vote.

Good luck .

So polievre won ….

I got a simple question for those that think it’s good choice .

Do people really believe that all the people that didn’t vote for PC previously , because it’s wasn’t leaning to the right enough , we’re voting liberals/NPD/Bloc Québécois /Green Party ?

And if that isn’t The case , where do they think the votes will come from to support polievre ?

I even predict polievre will lose even more votes from Ontario and quebec ,
places where he would actually need to make gains to have any hope to become prime minister .

I don’t think the far right understand it changes nothing if the west wins by 95% with a guy like Polievre in alberta instead of a more Center candidate with 85% votes for example .
U still get the same amount of seats at the parliament, it won’t go up .
I guess someday these people will realize they do not represent the majority of Canadians …
Alberta , Saskatchewan , Manitoba combine don’t even make 20% of the population while Ontario and Quebec makes 60% ….
Even if u had BC u still only end up at 30% of the population .

Imho I don’t think a firmer right view will help in anyway shape or form the PC .
Radicalized a minority do not create a majority from thin air just because u wish so .
I guess the wall of reality will hit them at some point .

So polievre won ….

I got a simple question for those that think it’s good choice .

Do people really believe that all the people that didn’t vote for PC previously , because it’s wasn’t leaning to the right enough , we’re voting liberals/NPD/Bloc Québécois /Green Party ?

And if that isn’t The case , where do they think the votes will come from to support polievre ?

I even predict polievre will lose even more votes from Ontario and quebec ,
places where he would actually need to make gains to have any hope to become prime minister .

I don’t think the far right understand it changes nothing if the west wins by 95% with a guy like Polievre in alberta instead of a more Center candidate with 85% votes for example .
U still get the same amount of seats at the parliament, it won’t go up .
I guess someday these people will realize they do not represent the majority of Canadians …
Alberta , Saskatchewan , Manitoba combine don’t even make 20% of the population while Ontario and Quebec makes 60% ….
Even if u had BC u still only end up at 30% of the population .

Imho I don’t think a firmer right view will help in anyway shape or form the PC .
Radicalized a minority do not create a majority from thin air just because u wish so .
I guess the wall of reality will hit them at some point .

Ps: I m not even mentioning how far away Polievre would end from power if Justin would be a genius and just step down from the next election cycle ….

6-9 months ago I would agree with you on Pierre. Today I am not sure . He won on the first ballot and it was a big win. I did not see the speeches but heard from some folks that are not fans of his that it was a great speech from both his wife whom introduced him to his speech. As well campaigns do not always define the leaders strategy

I had no clue he was adopted and they struggled and his wifes parents are immigrants . I think this can relate to many voters while Justin is considered the opposite

Justin's latest attack on farmers is not sitting well with CDN's as well


The question will be what will be the strategy from the Liberals do they want a vote now or ride out the full term with the the NDP

I do agree the Liberals would be stronger without Justin at the Helm

And yet , regardless he was adopted or not , that doesn’t have any relation with the policies he support that his rejected by a majority of voters .
u speak about farmers and yet , again its the 3 western provinces that are mostly involve right ?
No gain there for polievre , PC was already crushing there so no gain possible .

My point is , reform party couldn’t take power previously and they had to join with PC by being more moderate to gain votes .
I don’t see why they think by going back to the old reform party they will perform any better .
Canadian as a whole are not far right conservative .
No chance someone that voted npd, liberals , Green Party , Bloc Québécois will turn its vote for polievre and that is like already 60% of the voter .
I even suspect some that were PC won’t vote for polievre as he goes more and more in the far right .
Will see .

I think if Trudeau vs Poilievre happened today, Poilievre wins in a landslide. The silent majority is out in force.

A lot can happen though before the election so who knows.

Urban voters in Quebec, Ontario and B.C. will always dictate the outcome of elections in Canada. Those voters, especially young ones, will never vote Conservative no matter how centrist the party is. That's just the way it is now. The only hope the Conservative Party has is for the rest of the parties to split up the vote. Going more right wing ensures their loyal base lines up on election day.

Just like Charest was going to come back and win last night eh?

Explain how harper won for so long then ?
Harper was not conservative ?

Or harper knew how to be moderate and shut the crazies up in his side ?

I know Harper wasn't that long ago but I feel things have seriously changed since. Urban Canada (outside Alberta and Sask) has become seriously liberal.

Or maybe simply conservative radicalized themselves , Polievre being a proof of that ?
Anti science , anti abortion , pro religion , anti vaccine , pro trucker , pro conspiracy theories , fake news ,anti Canadian institutions isn’t confine to being liberals .
You can be on the right and not adhering to that but the problems is if you don’t adhere to all of this u are being accused of being liberals ….


I read of conservative on Charest side are thinking leaving the party….
Must be for a reason .

Exactly the same phenomenon on the south of the border , a radicalization of the right .
Liz Cheney vs trump .

Fwiw I don’t think by eradicating the Center right , PC will make more gains shrug .

lol

As much as I agreed with many of your earlier posts .

Pierre is Pro Choice
Pierre is vaccinated
Our PM is pro religion

I'm curious what conspiracy theories he supports or how he is anti science?

As much as I do agree it will be a difficult path to Conservatives getting a majority I just do not see the liberals getting a majority with Justin at the helm

Im talking about his base electorate .
Where do u think he will get extra votes by moving away from center right ?
From PCC maxime Bernier or liberals/npd ?
Unless u believe he can become prime minister without increasing his votes outside of its 3 western provinces ?

Of course their are extreme righties that believe abortion is bad . Justin Trudeau belongs to a religion that believes that also but his party is pro choice as his he. The abortion topic is done in Canada . Each province has its rules on abortion and as much as Justin tries to make it an issue its not

If Pierre brings in new voters it will be from the PPC and Liberals

Lots depends on were the economy goes as well. People tend to blame the government in power when you head into a recession if we are heading there or already there.

Its a difficult path to a majority for Pierre and I agree with you on that as well I also agree if it was another Liberal leader I see his chances slimmer.