So what's the point of the tax?

Gas is more noticable. People know what it costs to fill up their tank and read the price everytime they drive past a gas station. Although the price of food is insane right now more people are upset about fuel prices because it's an easier problem to solve and mostly the result of poor government policies.

This tweet?



Not really a "conspiracy".

So gaz prices is high because of 11c carbon tax and not the baril of oil went sky high due to Russian war ?

people won’t care about your little tax carbon once oil prices goes down 50% after the war .

Im pretty sure cut your 11c carbon tax on today gaz prices and still people will feel it’s still way too high ….

Like I said , if owning a car depends of a 5$ increase per week , u shouldn’t own a car , your already near bankruptcy .


Fwiw many people do not own a car but still suffer big inflation in food prices .
I doubt gaz prices it’s the worst people have .

Food > gaz for many people ….

« The purpose of a carbon tax is to reflect the true cost of burning carbon. Those costs are borne by those who suffer from the effects, such as homeowners, farmers, and ultimately the government. Carbon taxes make sure companies and consumers pay for the external costs they impose on society.«

https://www.thebalance.com/carbon-ta...-works-4158043

For a guy that complain about subsidies, it should make u happy …

I don't see how that Tweet really addresses uke's claim about the right having conspiracy theory beliefs about the WEF. But whether it really is based on a CT or not, that stance does indeed seem like pandering. From what little I've seen, Pierre does a lot of that.

Exactly. This tweet is pandering to the oddly prominent ring wing conspiracy theory about the WEF in his base even if it isn't explicitly endorsing it. That said, he has explicitly quoted the key "you will own nothing, and you will be happy" element on the conspiracy theory during a speech in parliament which is a much closer endorsement of the actual conspiracy beyond just pandering. Someone else can find the video if they care.

You could remove the carbon tax tomorrow and as the 90% of money that is rebated would no longer be rebated, most people would have a near neutral effect on their annual budget. While the right wing - and seemingly you - is investing a lot of political capital into trying to tie the carbon tax to inflationary pressures the simple reality is it is *at worst* a secondary effect.

They did tweet it out.




Regardless if it's a conspiracy theory or not it's a good play politically for Poilievre. In a lot of areas that he has to win in (GTA) it has become almost impossible for middle class young people to own a home. People have also seen the cost of living skyrocket and savings dwindle. It's obviously working since you and your ilk are so upset about it.

Why do you think this?

Indeed, indeed! This is the root of the *checks notes* 2016 era sentence that forms the baseline for a 2022 era conspiracy theory. Of course this random danish politician if you go read the rest of what she said is talking about stuff like techno-utopian things like drones delivering stuff and driverless cars. So it is just hilariously stupid of the right wing to go all conspiracy theory based on this tweet.




I don't know about you, but I think politicians shouldn't pander to conspiracy theories regardless of whether it is good politically or not.

Sorry, I keep forgetting you deliberately choose to forget the basics of how the carbon tax works each time. As 90% of the money is rebated, of that 11 cent increase, about 10 cents of it comes back to the average canadian.

It's how the political pendulum swings. What do you expect to happen when cost of living skyrockets and the left says carbon tax is only 11 cents, if you can't afford that you have bigger problems. Not to mention Trudeau hasn't exactly been leader of the working class people and has plenty of divisive rhteoric.

Sorry, you keep forgetting increased energy cost doesn't only effect people filling their tanks.

So you don't actually know if the carbon tax will be neutral for people's annual budgets and just made that up?

Yes, it's how the pendulum swings, especially when you have a leader who relies on his image as much as JT does - that's why it's important we have a reasonable Conservative leader. Sadly, this is looking less likely all the time.

I think this is a very accurate statement. JT has created the opportunity for this environment.

I thought Pierre had no chance if he wins but they said that originally about Justin as well .Sadly a Pierre led Canada will be as bad as a JT led Canada.

Were becoming the USA a current leader that promises the world and delivers on next to nothing and a crazy righty.

You seem confused. The rebate on the carbon tax isn't only on filling up their tanks. Anywhere that the tax is applied, 90% of it gets rebated to the people. There is no debate among the analysists that now through 2030 a majority of households are net winners from the fiscal impact (i.e amount rebated minus amount taxed). There is some debate among the analysts on economic, not fiscal effects, and if one uses assumptions presuming large negative economic effects, then the types of numbers for 2030 are in the 1% range. This has an effect, and it can be debated, but the clear and unquestionable point is that the inflationary pressures people are feeling in their annual budgets today are not due to the carbon tax.

The problem is many can debate weather 90% actually is rebated. There is very little transparency on how the funds collected or distributed. Its income based not consumption based. I have said this many times it is more of a conservative tax as rural voters are impacted more as they have no other options.

Also the carbon tax has had little impact on climate change as emissions increase every year under Justin Trudeau

Saying it has very little effect on the consumer is not accurate either as the carbon tax impacts businesses who do not receive the rebates so it is added into the cost of food, shipping and services as these businesses have to pay the tax on the fuel for their vehicles and the heating of their businesses.

Saying the carbon tax is the downfall of financial security is beyond ridiculous. Countering with people should be happy there is some complex government scheme behind the curtains to rebate money is also laughable. If I tell my clients, look I'm going to charge a bit more for this service, but you'll thank me later bc I'm doing some rebate shell game, guess what they'll say back. I counter with do your homework you're really getting it back. Won't go well for me at that point.

Point is blaming the carbon tax on all life's ills is misguided moronic thinking. But claiming people should be just peachy with how things are going is delusional elitist crap

Great opinion piece on the Trudeau Liberals

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...8c81c50e0e5a2d

You can debate whatever you wish, but your debate has no basis in reality. This isn't even a talking point of conservative politicians or pundits! It is the law that 90% is rebated and there is exactly zero evidence that this is not happening.



Uh, there is complete transparency on both sides of this. You can input your income and find out exactly how much money you will get distributed, and the law is completely explicit of precisely where and how much is collected. What specific detail do you think there isn't transparency on?


Correct. THis is a feature not a bug. There has to be an incentive structure to actually change behaviours so the basic mechanism is that if you live a high carbon intensive lifestyle, then you can become a net winner by changing your behaviours.

This is a stupid talking point. The carbon tax wasn't even in place most of his years. It just started at its lowest levels which will ramp up. But most importantly, the net change in consumption in any specific year depends on many factors not just the carbon tax and so noting the 2020 increase doesn't in any way disprove the efficacy of the carbon tax.

It doesn't matter whether it is an individual who buys gas directly or an individual who buys food that is higher cost because some company paid for gas, either way of the total dollars collected by the tax 90% of it gets rebated.

I don't like line-by-line microquoting, but when you **** up this badly sometimes you deserve it. You literally didn't manage to say one true thing about the carbon tax.

Call me naive, but I like to believe that Canadians are capable of understanding that the basic mechanism of the carbon tax. I don't think it is elitist to say they can understand what a 90% rebate means and see that big lump sum in their tax calculations. I don't think it is all that complex of a scheme. It is a simple trade off where everyone can understand that if you lower your GHG consumptions in your life then you can even be a net winner from the tax.

Tell me how the rural voter can choose to lower his GHG ? Take a farmer in Saskatchewan? Public transit, Electric combine, electric grain dryer.

Lets be honest CDN's are fed up with Trudeau look at the protests when he arrived in Kamloops yesterday. The Liberals if they were smart would kick him to the curb and replace him with one of their competent cabinet ministers like Freeland or Anad

Let's pause for one sec. You said a LOT of a really ignorant things about the carbon tax. You've said most of them before. Is your plan just to move on from all those points until you bring them up again in two weeks?

But to answer your question, they can do any number of hundreds of actions big and small to reduce their reliance. I don't know much about farming specifically, but they can downsize their house, retrofit their house to be energy efficient, make sure all appliances and lightening is energy efficient, solar panels on roof, purchase as much food locally as possible, limit meat, limit flying based vacation, electric car, cloth diapers not plastic diapers, biking in warmer climates to local stores, don't buy a tonne of cheap plastic **** from china, recycle, etc etc etc.

These are the types of conversations we should - and must - be happening, taking personal responsibility to keep our own personal GHG levels low. The carbon tax helps charge the incentive structures, but ultimately it is up to each of you.

r Your calling me ignorant.
Downsize their family home in rural Saskatchewan? Buy new appliances when the ones they have work perfectly fine? LED lighting Yes agreed , Solar panels on a roof. first off good luck finding a contractor to do it and are we not buying Chinese crap as Canada and the USA do not manufacturer them. Buy food locally chances are they are growing it or raising it, Limit meat WTF ? Electric car lots are full of them and farmers generally use pick ups, Biking to local stores most farmers are long distances from towns or stores.

Sadly you know crap about rural folks and their lifestyles

Like I said the carbon tax is nothing more than a conservative tax . Its something you and I will never agree on. I may even support it if it wasn't rebated back at all and the government was transparent about how it is spent