Fair enough. If you are unwilling to defend your spurious accusations when proven conclusively wrong, that’s on you. But don’t expect me to follow you along on your pivot attempt.

yup, this is probably what’s going on, but he articulates his position so poorly it really is just a guess

Because it costs billions to invest in the most lucrative oil in Canada and it can't be easily shut in when prices crater. This is the main reason anyways.

Ok Back to my two favorite leaders

So with Trump the criticism is

• No National testing plan for covid or Anti bodies
• Shortage of PPE's and its the states responsibility were just their to help
• Not enforcing the national guidelines for re-opening
• No going forward plan at all
• Not testing enough

Yet Trudeau

• No National Testing Strategy.
• Shortage of PPE's Provinces responsibility
• No National Guidelines for reopening
• Refuses to call out Quebec for opening to early " He's just worried"
• Testing at the same level as the USA

Is it just that he talks better in his drama voice at Press Conferences or what?

"Talk better in conferences", don't disagree with the experts publicly and show compassion are all Trump - or any leader - has to do during a national crisis to get a bump in popularity.

His inability to not **** the bed makes those in close proximity to him appear more competent than they would in a vacuum.

Not pivoting, just not interested in going back and forth with a zealot that just repeats useless talking points. You said it's good to see people sacrificing for the common good and hopefully people can do the same for climate change. I reminded you that millions of peoples lives are currently being destroyed and asked what your solution to climate change would be. It was just more random fantasy talking points about carbon tax and government's investing in green technology (more government). It's just boring and not worth the time to discuss things with socialist zealots.

Sure that could factor into building mega projects but LOL at thinking those are the main reasons the oil sector is being gutted in Canada. I was on a site last year that has piles and wells drilled for 3 new well pads, sitting waiting to be built but they won't build them because there is no pipeline or railcar capacity. Suncor has started the application to extend the life of their base plant. It's been there for decades and they won't need to extend it until between 2030-2035. Seems like a wonderful environment for companies to invest, I'm sure there will be a flood of companies looking to bring manufacturing back to Canada from China in that kind of environment.

I've been saying it all along, it's almost 0% Canada handles this and comes out better than the US but everyone is bashing the US. I have family in NY and they all were tested for anti-bodies last week and had the results within 24 hours. Is it possible to be tested in Canada or Alberta yet?

Everytime I watch a Trudeau presser I feel like he's pretending to talk like Batman.

Still waiting the reasons your suppose to know why .....

Alberta yes for Covid but no antibodies yet . If you have any symptoms you can get tested. BC is the worst at testing

Yeah I meant for anti-bodies. I don't think you even need symptoms to get tested for COVID in Alberta

Yes you do but they expanded the symptoms

the USA is now testing at a higher rate per million than Canada

Good Job Justin Thanks for the pipeline

Well now this just can't stand. Socialist? Ok. Completely wrong, laughable evidence, trivially dismissed, all very embarrassing for you, but OK you are entitled to your fantasies. But socialist zealot? Puhlease. If I was a socialist - I'm not; you're wrong - I'd be an apathetic one.

Obviously? Social distancing has been a pretty massive sacrifice, but necessary for the common good of flattening the curve and all that. That isn't socialism. Just about everybody but the most nonsensical alt-right folks have been on board. Wow.


Man you are just bad at debating. Absolutely nowhere did I suggest (and explicitly rejected in that post you refused to respond to) that the appropriate response to climate change is the kind of suffering we are doing to tackle covid19. Just lol. I suppose it is conflations like this that lead to your fantasies about me?

Do you know the degree to which this is is constrainted testing vs having substantially fewer cases that meet testing criteria? My understanding is anyong with covid like symptoms can be tested, an all people related to contract tracing can be tested. But there was 7 cases the other day.

Reading the sections on BC and Alberta I still find a bit confusing, but both are seemingly by designing operating with a good margin beneath testing capacity

https://www.cp24.com/news/covid-19-t...-say-1.4933581

It's not immediately clear to me that BC or Alberta's testing criteria are completely unreasonable or what exactly the limiting factors are here to not trying to ride out a little closer to the max lab capacity levels.

No I am talking Canada as a whole Yes Alberta leads the way. Reality is if anyone that has symptoms gets a test and if they test positive you test those they were in contact with

Yet Quebec seems to be doing a horrible job overall and is opening. Reality is 9 provinces seem to be doing pretty damn good at it.

California is also at that stage

Wuhan had a few cases and now is testing a whole city of 11 million.

I just think the pounding on Trump on the lack of testing yet they are at a point of testing more. Reality is our health care system is miles ahead of theirs and that is what leads to an overall performance. The responsibility lies with the provinces

The companies with large mines and onsite upgraders (suncor and cnrl) were the only companies not priced for significant risk of bankruptcy a month ago. All the sagd and conventional are huge money losers when oil is low. They have been treading water for many years now.

But yes you are right. Government regulations also play a part. Just not as big as you think.

Suncor and CNRL both operate SAGD facilities. imperial, Husky and ConocoPhilliips do as well, in fact Imperial is all set to build another one but then delayed it due to the curtailment, non of those companies were fighting off bankruptcy or treading water for many years.

The major cost in SAGD is fuel for steam generation. But innovations have been made in the last 5-10 years that have really lowered steam requirements, which reduces cost and emissions.

I know first hand that at cnrl, horizon is the only thing keeping them a float right now. Suncor fort hills is only running 1 train and teck wants to shut the whole thing down its bleeding so much cash. Athabasca shut down their sagd ops. Conoco is alot bigger than their Canadian sagd ops lol. So like I said, the only real money makers are the $30 billion + mine with onsite upgraders.

Lol are you really using the current situation as an argument why companies have been investing in the US more than Canada in the last 4 years? Of course I know Conoco is bigger than their Canadian operations (they also have a gas plant near fort St John BC) and all the companies that I mentioned operate internationally but since this is the Canada thread I assumed you knew I meant only the Canadian ops.

Everything I've said was going under the assumption we were talking about pre-covid. Obviously a global shut down is negatively affecting oil operations. Even the Saudis have had to shut in oil production and they have the lowest operating costs.

Pre-covid a lot Canadian SAGD operations were making profit and planning expansions for 2020/2021.

Yes, and people's lives are going to be ruined because of it. There is talk of a 1 trillion $ deficit now. So when you hope people can continue massive sacrifice for the common good to fight climate change what is it? No more vacations or leisure flights, no more road trips, everyone working from home, online learning? Come on what's the personal sacrifice's you want people to make for the common good to fight climate change?

Wait. So there was a boom or not? I thought your whole argument is there was no Canadian oil boom.

All you have to do is look at stock prices. Cnrl and suncor are trading at about 40% of their highs. beginning of year pre covid they were at about 80% of their highs. Companies that are focused on sagd like meg and athabasca are at 5% or less of their highs and are at risk of bankruptcy. in January pre covid they were at 15% or less of their highs. That doesn't sound like they were faring too well even before covid and opec+ bs

LOL because of their business models, not because of the way they extract their product (although some operate better than others). I actually thought you might know something, buts it's obvious your talking out of your ass.

So it is just a coincidence that all primarily sagd companies have a bad business model? What I am saying is not even controversial. It's pretty common knowledge. If you want job security, go work for cnrl or suncor. If you want to make a couple more bucks an hour and be laid off in a year or 2 go work sagd.

But I guess you may have gained more intimate knowledge on the subject pumping up transmitters with glycol.

These programs are a joke. I work in finance and our company was approved for $2million under the first tranche of the wage subsidy program which I believe covered 6 weeks. Are we hiring anyone back? Nope. It's free $ according to my boss lol. Noone's checking he said. We will probably pull $12million out of it once it's all done