Yeah based on that like I said Why would Obama nd Gore buy Ocean Front property?

Oh I agree it is a crisis. Not sure of the timeline but it is a crisis

He's an employee, probably doesn't have an offshore account and probably doesn't have high-cost taxation representation on retainer: he's squarely in Revenue Canada's sights and better dot the i's and cross the t's. RevCan can't do anything to stop the 1% from avoiding taxes, but they shine when it comes to people who receive a T4.

Is "But Gore bought ocean-front property" really an argument in the climate-change deniers' handbook? That's awesome.

I'm not sure what you're saying "NO" to; perhaps you could specify what was inaccurate.

As for the rest of your post, there was really no need for the "follow the dots" explanation. As I already said:

While the graph you keep reposting is actually showing consumption, I'd agree that fossil fuel demand has been going up over time, and still is presently. I'm pretty sure everyone would agree to that.

And what I believe you're referring to as "complicating things" is simply my attempt to move the conversation forward. If you and uke want to continue to argue about what you called a demand curve, then I guess that's your prerogative, but I'm trying to move on.

Wrong on their doomsday predictions. The amount of damage they have caused is unforgivable. Now you have terrible left-wing policies based on them that have caused an energy crises along with an invasion of a country and war and you still have zealots like Uke doubling down.


Absolutely zero evidence an increase in fossil fuel use would cause poverty and famine. The data proves the opposite happens from increased fossil fuel use.

I am curious if anyone here owns a electric car? Was driving back from Kimberley last weekend and thinking how the hell do you drive an electric car 700 kms? Its not like your going to have charging stations in the Mountains.
Heck there is 125 kms with no cell service

I was looking online and charging times are 30 minute to 8 hours. Filling up with gas 3 minutes

Not wrong, just not yet come to pass on a planetary doomsday level. Millions of people are already being impacted by increased heat waves, fires, and flooding.


Fossil fuel use increases climate change which will lead to conditions that will increase poverty and famine, like less habitable and arable land. The data only proves the opposite about fossil fuel use in the past. That doesn't mean it would remain the same going forward. The overwhelming consensus is that it won't.

Well they certainly haven't been right. Would you accept that line of thinking about anything other than your doomsday porn and call it "not wrong".

5 Billion people live in energy poverty while 3 Billion use less energy than your refrigerator because of energy policies. Also humans have never been safer from environment, climate related deaths are at an all time low and continue to decline year over year.


Poverty and famine are at all time low's and improving rapidly, while fossil fuel use continues to rise.

Obviously long road trips are one of the worst use cases for electric. I'm hoping a little longer range becomes more common, because summers often see us at a destination that is around 400 km from our home. There are electric cars with greater range than that, but not as many.

"Its not like your going to have charging stations in the Mountains." - that's a little silly. There's no reason charging stations can't be as common as gas stations. But right now, they aren't, and that's definitely a road trip problem. Not many of them in the Kootenays.

"I was looking online and charging times are 30 minute to 8 hours. Filling up with gas 3 minutes" - I don't think there's such a thing as a charging station that takes 8 hours. That's the kind of time for home chargers. I believe charging stations range more like 30-60 minutes, and dropping quickly, and partial charges can be quicker than that. My concern with summer driving is having to wait for one.

These are some of the reasons a lot of people favour hybrids. I'd prefer full electric, but they aren't ideal for long road trips yet.

If you want to focus on the past as proof of the future we can just agree to disagree.

exactly. I make enough money the government will def **** me in the ass if I step out of line, but not enough money I can actually get around anything.

I have a good friend driving his Tesla from Vancouver to Saskatoon and leaving on Sunday. He plans to do it across 3 days stops in Jasper and Edmonton.

I have not asked him if he has planned his charging route and stops, so you have made me curious and I will ask.

Friend just replied that Tesla app figures it all out showing all the charging spots along any mapped route. It is 1600km's one way and he says it is zero issue. No areas of concern on that drive.

That is amazing the he is able to do it. I am curious how long each charging stop is?

AS well now imagine thousands of Tesla's doing the same route....

AS well your friend is lucky and paying no gas taxes

Please enlighten me on how left wing policy caused the Ukraine war

Ps: who’s wrong with what doomsday prediction that should have happened already.

Don’t worry they will hike electricity taxes when the majority of people will have an electric car .
Government needs revenues and they will always get it …

We in Germany can be driving 1000km in under 5 hours. I think the fastest I took for 1000km is about 5-6 hrs. I did it many times because my ex gf was from Basel. Berlin Basel is around 1000km. I didnt even a have a superfast fast car I could only go 160 to 180omg, if I remember correctly. Some guys go 280 to 300 in their top of the line cars here. We have no speed limit on the autobahn for many sections on the way to Munich. (Which is the best autobahn connection in germany and we have people travel here just to drive on it)

Electric cars have a problem imo which is the battery not only has to be charged but it weakens. I know this because hey look at your cell phone batteries. They just become weak to unusable. I have an e Bike and just received a 2nd battery. It's so much more powerful than my old battery I still have which is one year old. I can go longer distances and faster with the newer battery.

So this is yet another problem with e cars. Not only does is it bad for the environment to make the batteries you also lose power over time imo. Don't know if that really is the case but it must be imo.

Such a washoe post.

To the first bolded point, um, cell phone batteries are just a tiny bit different than electric car batteries, LOL. To the second point, well, you could always look things up before posting hot takes.

To be clear, of course electric car batteries are going to have a limited life span, just like brakes, engines, transmissions, etc. Of course the batteries are presently by far the most expensive component. None of this should be a surprise to anyone. But comparing it to your eBike battery that doesn't work well after a year is just silly.

https://www.caranddriver.com/researc...-battery-life/

It should be noted, as it says in the article, that said warranty will probably only be for complete failure, or when the capacity is down to 60-70%. Still, I think we can expect several years out of the batteries, and that both their longevity and their price will continue to improve. So yeah, batteries are another issue to be considered when deciding whether to buy an electric car, of course, but they aren't the factor that they are in cell phones.

A Vancouver based company retrofit older cars to electric

https://globalnews.ca/news/8797788/v...r-conversions/


The promise is they can retrofit buses and other public vehicles they say for 1/2 the cost.

Problem is Canada's regulations do not allow them to do it yet they can in many progressive states

Another note on Electric cars is the batteries do lose some of their capacity in the cold

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First off , refrigerator like u like to quote uses electricity .
Between a car using oil or a refrigerator using electricity I think people would choose electricity first .
Second , less death due to climate changes came for better uses of technology’s like AI / climate model using computers , better communications mediums , etc, using again electricity .

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poverty have diminished yet the world near 400% debt to gdp , highest ever .
So debts is wealth now ?
Of course oil help but thinking the world is richer when it’s debt it’s at highest ever , creating huge Inflation to try to pay that debt is vastly different to say it’s because of oil ….


Simple question , u think the world makes a mistake trying to abandoning oil for a small cost of pain for couple years .
Typical of people like u , just seeing the cost but never the benefits …..

Abandoning oil -> better environment, better air , less environment disaster , etc .
More economic stability ( look what happened to the economy when oil prices gets crazy ) .
Far less problems due to the transportation of oil to get energy .
Energy will get cheaper with a sustainable renewal ressources .

And this one that is vastly underestimate ….
Do you how many wars and tragedy been fought over oil dominance ?
Creating vast amount of death , wars , social instability due to political conflict over oil , major cause of increases in poverty because of this , etc ….

But hey , I guess u right , it’s far more better to save 50 cent on litre then trying to prevent all those problems up there right ?

After seeing what is brewing with « Roe vs Wade 1973 » SC in the US and the principal concept of « liberty » and what laws should be influence by religion , I just can’t understand at all people still think bill 21 is not a good idea , before ending up with problem like in the states now emerging ….

Extremist Catholics , as much as other religions, is a problem .
They need to be expunged from the state in position of authority and power ….

I would agree with you but bill 21 targets certain religions. No one is taking a metal detector and checking if someone is wearing a cross around their neck or requiring cross tattoos be removed

If Bill 21 did not allow for any education $ for any faith based school including Catholic than I am all aboard


As for overturning Roe vs Wade I am against it but elections have condequences

Trudeau must be loving this leaked ruling on abortion

Bloc wants a vote and conservatives told to not comment

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...9ba377b4b44644

Are u deaf ?
I told u many many time ……
Catholic been out of Quebec school since the 1960 -> it’s one of the « revolution tranquille » main reform .

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....iet-revolution

« The rapid and dramatic development of government institutions and the vastly increased role of the state in the province's economic, social and cultural life unleashed forces that would have major consequences. Most notably, the Catholic Church's role in society diminished, prosperity for French-speaking Québécois grew, and a nationalist consciousness expanded ».

« The resulting 1964 Parent Report, tackled the entire system. In recommending the creation of a department of education, it questioned the role of the Catholic Church, which controlled the public school system. The church resisted recommended changes, but without success. The Parent Report contributed significantly to creating a unified, democratic and modern school system accessible to the entire population. »

One of the greatest period in Quebec history .
Emancipations of the people from religious discriminating laws …

Honestly that'll probably checkmate the next election.

The calculation to go social-right for the Cons literally just exploded in their faces. If I'm the Libs and NDP I just attack this almost exclusively with all my ad and debate time. I don't know where else you'll get a better return. That and how many rental properties PP owns would be enough to end him.