Self employed people who cannot claim EI can apply for this, as can students (even 16 year olds) who made 5K in the past year, so that has to be a healthy part of the discrepancy. In terms of clawback/audits - hard to imagine they do much more than a cursory check for T4s to see if the person actually made income when stating they did not. They will likely have some other automated checks as well (person collects EI and CERB type stuff), but other than the low hanging fruit, the problem is the money involved is not that significant for a full audit, and how are they going to hire people to do that for millions of returns?

They can probably get a good chunk of the abuse with a few systemic checks, as most people are utter dummies when they do this stuff. The online poker/casino industry has a long history of people clicking for "free money" like when a Party Poker cruise promotion allowed anyone to add $200 to their account by downgrading their room (even if they were not on the cruise) by clicking a link on a website. Oops! In the end, a lot of people have a -$200 balance at Party and cannot play there until they deposit to pay that off.

ya it's the old 80/20 rule. You can catch 80% of the cheaters with a few easy to program checks, but its the 20% that's not worth hiring the staff to check manually, I"m guessing.

Bad thing.

And it's only tax payers money, what's a few million in a 20 billion deficit.

Try a 250 billion deficit

Lol that's right!

Has Edmonton not changed the property tax due date? Calgary has extended our to Sept (I think) without penalty.

I get that you are enjoying following me around, making up nonsensical fantasies about what you imagine I think, and trying to take pot shots about them...but, maybe try cooling it a bit?

Ours has been extended a month or two as well

Another Prime Example of total Waste

Edmonton's Funicular ( elevator from Jasper ave to River valley )
https://www.edmonton.ca/activities_p...ey-access.aspx


Mayor tells us its free Federal Money if we do not use it we lose it and maintenance will be at most $150,000 a year

Actual Cost 24 million City's share 7 million
Maintenance Costs year 1 $925,000
Year 2 $525,000

Basically a moving outhouse for the homeless

I was actually agreeing with you and saying why people get away abusing government programs.

But yeah I really don't like socialist. It's not fantasies. You have you said:

-Companies should have more taxes put on them if they are successful
-Using a tragedy to increase government power (gun ban) even though it wouldn't have stopped the tragedy is a good thing
-2 million lost jobs in a month, business destroyed, lives ruined, defferred bills, retirement savings being spent, massive government spending, is the type of personal sacrifice we need to continue to fight climate change

Definitely approaching diminishing returns when you are still on this nonsensical "socialist" bent. FFS I've spent most of this thread defending justin ****ing trudeau, how you ever got to socialist is beyond me. But yes, let's see your supposed evidence:

I didn't suggest this. I support progressive income taxes but flat corporate taxes. For instance, I think the carbon tax should be higher, but I'm happy with it been flat. Next?


At least you've got within the ballpark of something I said this time. I'll ask again since you dodged it last time: did canada make a mistake when it implimented gun laws following l'ecole politechnique? It's just a basic reality that major tragedies build consensus for political action, and can be needle moving events in political consensus whether that is guns, 911, covid19, natural disaster spurring action on climate change, etc. But no, observing this basic fact this doesn't make one a socialist. And STFU about your made
up "increasing government power" bit. Next?


oh WOW this is a bad fail. Absolutely nothing I said suggested we should lose 2 million jobs a month to fight climate change, haha what a terrible read. Next?

Oh wait, there wasn't a next. Just absolute fail of an accusation all around.

I agree with you on flat taxes but also personal wise on taxes as well. As for the carbon tax I am not sure how big an impact it has on climate change at best a small one..

Though I do think Justin Trudeau is not acting as a minority leader. He is acting like he has a large majority and I guess he can get away with that due to Covid and the fact the NDP are broke.

Climate change does not have to lose 2,000,000 million jobs a month. I do believe the oil sector indirectly employs 500,000 CDN's and is vital to our economy.
There is no denying climate change is real you can see how the planet is healing the last few months. Though sadly this can not last forever.
Reality is we need 2 billion less people on this planet or a world strategy.

The Bloc's leaders comments rile up us Albertan's as he had no issue taking all those billions of dollars every year from Alberta AS for May she is right Oil is dead for a while but forever not a chance.

Please ... those billions Alberta gave to a lot of Canadians, not just Quebec btw , cost a lot of jobs to Ontario and Quebec with a very high Canadian dollard when oilprice is spiking as well .
Those years at 100$ + a oil barrel is nice for Alberta but it’s not like it was a sustainable and “normal” situation .
It’s because for a long time Saudi played nice and we see it now ...

That program you talk about is just like tax, it’s a redistribution of wealth .
And Alberta had a lot of money from all the Canadians as well with oil subsidies.

And lastly, I always find this fascinating when people complain when they pay too much tax because they make a lot of money .
As if gaining less money for paying less tax was better ...
Call me crazy but I rather be the one paying more tax because it would mean I am the one who makes the most money !
Half empty or half full glass concept I suppose .

I’m pretty sure when Alberta is in deep trouble, it’s nice to count on Quebec, Ontario and the ROC moneys to help them now ....
Just that pipeline Trudeau bought is money taken from all Canadian as well.

I’m just tired of hearing people complain about money for only their provinces disregarding the fact , all have their problems with Canada but at the end of the day , we have a pretty darn good country to live in .

Ps: and Quebec got some pretty bad bashing as well , your not alone to feel sometimes treated unjustly .

Meh Alberta is garbage but Quebec has been a complete cash vacuum from everyone in Canada forever.

95% of the reason everyone (not me) hates Trudeau is because they feel he enables Quebec to be terrible with money cause they know ol' Justin will bail them and their terrible corrupt companies out.

Quebec needs to sort their **** out or the rest of Canada will vote them out of the country.

What r u talking about .
Québec in the majority of economic indicators are average in Canada .

https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/p...ookieSupport=1

Could be better , could be worst .
If Quebec is a cash vacuum like you say , well half the country is ...

As for corrupt companies , you are absolutely right and since the liberal Quebec party is finally gone !!!, it will get much better now , finally ...
Don’t worry , the entire province was fed up and piss about Charest and Couillard with lot of corruption and other issues.
Please, Quebec is the second population in Canada, and a hell of a lot of citizen here wernt agreeing with the liberals .
But stuck with a 1 nominal electoral system which creates bs majority government with like 35-38% voters until last election , nothing much could be done until all but 1 “group” of citizens were left to vote for them .

Trudeau does enable Quebec. Look at Covid he should be demanding they stay closed with all the infections but instead jast says he is worried.

Canada can never vote Quebec out and the only way they go is they vote to leave and that would be stuck in the courts for decades as the Aboriginal Tribes in Quebec want no part of it.
UKE is correct Quebec's economy is at its best prior to Covid

Also no Conservative can win unless they get some Quebec support as they have a large block of MP's that does not represent the population of Canada but will never change

Thanks Justin for buying that pipeline

Can we ask why Trudeau has not faced any criticism for

• National testing Strategy
• National guidelines for re-opening
• National Economic strategy post Covid
• Not calling out Quebec for opening to early

Trudeau will also face pressure from Trump on opening the border. Will see how quickly he gives in.

I was watching a thing on the news reference BC and the provincial government offers a $500 renters credit as well as ongoing eviction protection. Problem is the renter applies for the funds and they go to the renter. The renter is under no obligation to use this money for rent. Not sure how this helps. The government says renters will be on the hook for the rent. How many landlords do you think have any hope of collecting 3-4 months of unpaid rent.

Yeah i must have forgot that if you defend Trudeau you definitely aren't a Socialist.

When you found out the company I work was making 80M/month you said they should have higher taxes put on them. Something about returning wealth to the people

I'm not that familiar with what gun laws were changed after that event. Canada does have some of the strongest gun laws in the world so not sure why the government had to rush to the recent ban other than optics. Pretty sure there isn't political consensus for the recent gun ban. What did you mean when you said increasing "political will" during this time to fight climate change?


Curious what your solution to climate change is? Every other post in this thread you talk about doing more to fight it and increasing carbon tax, but what else do you think should be done and why do you think it won't negatively affect the economy? I've asked before and you never answered but why did the US have an oil and gas boom the past 4 years while Canada has had the exact opposite?

It'd be pretty weird. If I was an NDP supporter you'd still be wrong - not a socialist - but at least sort of kinda in the same playing field. But Trudeau? Really?

Must we really go through, for a second time, to explain how laughably poor your alleged evidence I'm a socialist is? Really? You didn't just roll over and drop it? Nope? Well darn it, here we go:

Nope. I support the carbon tax being substantially higher than it is right now, but I still want it to be flat. Nothing at all socialist about that. Next?


Oh wow, I didn't realize people in Canada were this ignorant. The "strongest gun laws in the world", aka billC17 came about following massive political mobilization after the l'ecole polytechnique shooting. To this day people commemorate the event in schools across the country. Does that make anyone who supported this socialist? What utter nonsense. Next?

Actually, no, not next yet. Let's remind you that it WASN"T a rush. It was first promised in 2015. Then it was in the platfrom of the recent election that they got elected on. Then they announced the measures in more detail last year (at the site of the toronto danforth mass shoorting no less). Oh, and 4/5's of canadians support the ban: http://angusreid.org/assault-weapons-ban/

So wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and most importantly, NOT socialist. Next?


Let's pause first to observe who you completely abandoned the implication I thought we should be losing 2 million jobs a month to climate change, the last supposed evidence that I'm a socialists. But I'll along with your pivot, first noting that wanting to fight climate change doesn't make on a socialist

I don't know I have any complete answer to fight climate change, but I'm pretty sure it is multifaceted. On the international scale, working to negotiate far stronger pacts. At the government level, strong direct investment in clean tech infastructure and research, supported by high levels of carbon taxation (or cap and trade, or whatever, i don't care so much). But also big roles for private sector to innovate and probably most importantly building social consensus on actions.



So. When you are told point blank you are wrong, and every one of your "arguments" turns out to either be made up or almost trivially dismissed, you should probably drop the socialist name calling, even - no, especially - if calling me that gives you that warm feeling inside.

Would you agree that unless you have the USA, China, India and much of Asia on board you are fighting a losing battle?

I do agree that unless you wipe 2 billion folks off the planet the private sector will need to innovate a solution



Though its not great to hear "You ungratefull Albertan's or whiny Albertans " all the time as well or "He bought you a pipeline" as well

It's a truism. Obviously the US is both much more important and somewhat worse than Canada on climate change, but that doesn't mean we aren't embarrassingly bad ourselves or shouldn't do better. It's also true that projections about climate change end up on a spectrum. That is, we're getting significant warming no matter what, but how sever is affected by our actions. Canada individually is too small, but action by the 1st world minus USA in these middle years is still better than no action.




You get that I transplant your exact language about Quebec onto Alberta for kicks and giggles, right? Besides, my criticism of Shifty isn't that he is being a bit insulting, it's that his attempts at insults have absolutely no basis in reality. I'm not even remotely close to the socialist he thinks I am. But calling albertans whinny when they go all #wexit after losing an election is....uh.... just.....accurate?

Ok man, whatever you say. I'm not going to clog up this thread anymore going back and forth quoting each statement. But fact is your solution to everything is more government. Whether you actually identify as a socialist doesn't really matter to me.

shifty, are the American a socialist state because the government intervened massively in 2008 and in this present year as well ?

Right, your arguments were pretty embarrassing, I'd abandon them too. It seems your meritless assertions of me being a "socialist" seems to come down to a pretty basic confusion about what socialism is it.

I said I said I supported a carbon tax. That isn't socialism, not close. I didn't advocate the government seize control of oil production from companies, for instance. No, it might be true I support slightly more government than you. But that doesn't make a socialist and trying to use that word just makes you look stupid.

Or let's take the second example (how you got to "everything" from two examples is beyond me): gun control. Do you think Canada should have absolutely zero gun regulations? Because my guess is that I support slightly more regulations than you do, but support gun regulations doesn't make one a socialist and trying to use that word just makes you look stupid.

Well I think a lot of American republican or conservatives in Canada dont see the difference between a liberal, socialist and communism .

They are so far on the right , the lines are too fuzzy for them to distinguish.
Hell even the center is left for them .
So any action by a government is socialist .

Not abandoning them, just don't have the time or cant be bothered to go back and forth with you about it. You are either so indoctrinated you don't realize you are a socialist or refuse to admit that you are so what's the point. But can you answer why you think the US has had an oil and gas boom while Canada has had the opposite in the last 4 years?