Shifty, when you read Kenney's tweet ("Fiscal restraint + growing economy = balanced budget"), does it bother you that he is blatantly lying to you? The main thing "balancing" the budget is the price of oil.

THat's fine. I'm ok with fiscal conservatives that want to have fiscal restraint and live within the oil revenues each year. It is an utter embarrassment for Alberta that they have failed to do this over the last decade, squandering winning the jackpot on the resource lottery. But at least be honest about it.

Seems a lot of hate for Albertans here. I love Alberta & the people as do most people that have spent a lot of time there. Kenny not so much but he's still far better than Rachel.

WE agree

+1

Fwiw, it isn’t albertans per se people hate , it’s the consistent lies that people despise .
Now if lies is prevalent in Alberta political and economical spheres , no one can do anything about it but the albertans …

To me the vast majority of time I hear Ontario or Quebec speaking about alberta in a bad way is always in “respond” to a distort truth or clear lies from alberta politicians for small political gains …

I almost never hear Quebec or Ontario talking much about alberta to begin with .

Indeed. I am quite concerned by the toxic political ideology prominent in Alberta. That isn't anything against Albertans the people or the place, both of which I have a lot of connection with and hope the best for. This is not dissimilar to rejecting the political ideology prominent in Texas say, while I don't have connections with Texas, I wish no ill on the actual people of Texas.

Lol at an Ontarian politician talking about another provincal or branch of government other than Federal.

Can I just say that Chrystia Freeland is ****ing boss for this political moment? Fluent in ukrainian and russia, knows the region and its issues intimately. Apparently she has been working the phones all week to try and get as much global consensus for as crippling economic sanctions as possible, in particular removal from the SWIFT system. This is all largely behind the black box we in society don't get access to, so who knows whether there is credit deserved or not at all, I have no idea, but I'm glad that for this specific moment we have her.

I am curious from Montreal what these lies may be?

Also curious on what this Toxic Ideology would be as well ideology that is equal to Texas ?

I'm sure you can figure it out, we've only been talking about it ITT for years now. And I didn't say it was equal to Texas, although it is true that a lot of right wing Albertan politics have been imported from right wing American politics, which is pretty sad.

So you make a statement about a province you continually bash but will not back it up?

We already went through some .

Tax bullshit
Equivalent program
How they manage economic and latest covid crisis .
Langage laws or bill 21 .
Etc .

Tax Bullshit if your referring to low taxes and no sales tax and than complaining yeah I give you that one
Equivalent program has holes but Kenney negotiated it when he was in federal politics
Made a huge mistake last summer. I think his call now is what is going on around the world
I still can not fathom how anyone can defend bill 21 ? If Kenney put a law like that in place he would be every name in the book . THe fact that only the Green Party Candidate called it out for what it was at the debate tells you how important the Quebec vote is.

Yes for tax and issus and all

The rest we spoke about this all ready .
Yeah I know it’s all good to protect every damn minorities BUT french Canadian …..(101 law)

Bill 21 Quebec is racist because it ask ALL ( even its own catholic religion …) religion out of some public office .
Makes a lot sense …we are racist even toward our own self right ?!?
As if religion is a skin condition , disregarding the fact , bill 21 is only for increasing the concept of secularism in Quebec which is exactly what bill 21 does ….
But hey small populist politics, very popular in some regions as u know .

Whether it's racist or not, that sounds like a really silly counter-argument on your part. Seems to me that it would have far, far more effect on people that aren't white; the fact that some white people are affected doesn't preclude it being racist. And why is it needed? The rest of the country is getting by just fine without such a law.

Bill 21 might not be racist (although I think it is) but it is deeply immoral. Freedom of religion is a fundamental tenet of society. As Trudeau says (since he has condemned it many times, contrary to the impression lozen gives) I have deeply opposed to that bill.

More details in the US press about how ****jng awesome freeland has been pushing forward for tougher sanctions against Russia. The entire Canadian response has been pretty pitch perfect so far.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...eland-00012139

So u don’t believe of neutrality of religion for those that receives government services or when for those been ask to provide or apply state of laws in a neutral way ?

Equating religion to neutral values when it’s dominated by discrimination in itself make no sense to me .
And than say it’s ok to promote your religion at work ( even tho it promotes discrimination and inequalities) while the government ask it’s workers to have a neutral stance when giving services or apply laws is contradictory .

So a worker cannot promote no social cause but can promote religion ?
Wtf is that .

I’m glad many English Canadian ( Protestant) hasn’t been beat up by their religion , it wasn’t so for French Canadian (Catholicism ) .
And we took out our own religion out of government space for a reason , certainly not to accept others while denying ours.

Fwiw in Europe many harsher laws been approved because they let this go too far before intervening to defend secularism .

In Quebec we do it preemptively .

And lol in Canada , for religious purposes , Sikh’s do not have to wear helmet while motorcycling now ?
Wtf ….
So because u beliefs in some religion u are not submit to the same laws ?
What kind of **** is that .

Are we equal or not Canada ?
It’s not a freakn theocracy .

And btw no one is defended to belief or exercice it’s own religion !
That is horseshit.
Any person can do what they want with their religion as long they are a « client » , but do have some restriction when « providing » services since he represent the government …

In Quebec we believe more in secularism then religion and the final word belongs to the state , not false gods !
And again , the restriction is dolely during work hour while providing neutral government services in a position of power !
We absolutely do not care of what they do outside government functions and works .
They can do and promote w.e religion they want wherever they want except at work .

Yeah I know crazy idea …. Giving priority to work and not practicing religion during working hours is such insanely not normal …..

Look in Europe where it’s at now ..

Give me one good reason why restricting religion during working hours is wrong but restricting freedom of speech , freedom of promoting politics , promoting social values ( even if those social values do not contradict the value of the government ) , even promoting arts , sports , etc is ok ?

Why so many of you have so much consideration on religion ( which is not even beliefs that is scientifically true for now ) , even go as far as being over the state but not giving the same « respect » to all other human values /philosophy of life ?

U know , we still have , from time To time , crime about honor and religion in Canada ….

Nip it in the bud , something i guarantee u Europe wish they would of done.

And again , on their own time , not state time , they can exercise w.e they want whenever they want .

They get paid to work , not promote religion .
Especially In a environnement where neutrality is a necessity ( job where applying state laws without prejudice , etc.)

Personally, I think religion is nonsense. And the stricter the religious requirements are, the sillier I think it is. But I respect everyone's right to believe what they like, and wear what they want to, whatever I might personally think about it. Like most freedoms, there are limits to it, of course.

Where you really lose me is all of this talk of "promoting" religion. How someone wearing an everyday symbol of their religion is "promoting" it is completely beyond me. I see people wearing turbans and hijabs around my city every day - WTF difference does it make if a teacher or police officer is doing the same? The only thing that is promoting is showing young Muslims and Sikhs that they can be teachers, police officers, and lawyers too, as opposed to passing a bill that sends a VERY different message.

Actually, it seems there are quite a few spots where you lose me:

Like this?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...anging-moments

Seriously though, I have no idea what you're getting at here. I think you're suggesting that there are crimes committed in the name of religion, but how not allowing people in a handful of professions to wear religious symbols is going to impact that in any way whatsoever is beyond me.

Nip what in the bud? What is this big danger in Europe?

Sooo...religious people are going to be biased, but not if they don't wear their turban and hijab? I don't wear any symbols to "promote" my atheism, so I guess I'm also free of biases?

A)
Is talibans non sense ?
You think force marriage based on religion isn’t sometimes done here ?
You think they only stop there ?
It’s beliefs in life with huge discrimination towards woman , gays or w.e else in a lot of them and u think it’s ok in our society where many beliefs are rejected by law here ?
And you work for the state applying laws (police) and Justice (judge) for example
And I should believe you would put your beliefs aside while u can’t even put aside symbols of your beliefs ?
You think the principle of the state of appearing neutral is a joke , especially in position where laws and Justice etc is a necessity ?
You know rights gains aren’t immuable , and usually the biggest danger are religions…. Isn’t the return of abortion being illegal in the states a clear example of what I’m talking about ?

B)
If you think it isn’t promotion , why publicity in school in illegal ( well it is in Quebec) ?
Publicity might be one of the biggest expense to make money for a reason in almost evrything but u tell me when it comes to religion and towards kids where they are highly influenced at their age as 0 effect ???
Please …..
You know they have still religious school not long ago that didn’t teach what they were suppose to do in compliance with public education here ?
Example : https://lactualite.com/societe/que-f...les-illegales/


Btw this is something people got mad here and it came from a Catholic , he wasn’t a foreigner but that is what they try to pass it on being racist , it’s non sense .
A lot of québécois were angry about that mayor and he wasn’t a foreigner but if he was , we would been racist outside Quebec if he wouldn’t be white .
Such horseshit , it’s about secularism ffs , we don’t care who the hell practice religion , they could be Martian for all we care , it’s freakn religion we do not want in our government! That it !

I didn’t see Muslim association or the like come to the defense of «*religion in state*»
?

https://www.constitutionalstudies.ca...saguenay-case/

« The separation between church and state is an important issue for every democracy. To what extent can democratic institutions engage in some form of religious observance, if at all? On April 15, 2015, the Supreme Court of Canada decided whether reciting a prayer at municipal council meetings is constitutional in the case of Mouvement laïque québécois v Saguenay (Saguenay) ».

I remember when I was young and I can tell u today I can make a clear distinction between those that where Catholic and those that wernt and some of them very subtly was a bit to « religious » , today I know and can make the difference .
And it was far more worst for my parents ( 80 years old ).

C) https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/a...h-centre-study

D) again , why they can and not me ?
The point is not because it’s religion per se , it’s because why beliefs of religion should be over any other beliefs ?
It’s very simple as a notion government involvement-> religion out -> secularism !
Religion is at home , not at work in government because governments is secularism at its core for us .

"believes that secularism means no discrimination against anybody in the name of religion"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

Religion shouldn’t be treated different to any other philosophy ….

And why some should had privilege when others can’t because they aren’t brain washed ?
You think it helps ?
I just don’t understand how is it that hard to apply secularism in a country that is suppose to be secular to begin with !
Seem we aren’t !

No he condemned the Trucker protest strongly rightfully so. Trudeau, Otoole and shockingly Singh were not vocal enough . He should have been that vocal on bill 21 and call anyone that supports it ........


Till we stop importing Russian Oil please.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...?ocid=msedgntp

What's fascinating to me is the intelligent people who attach themselves to the convoy side. Make no mistake, the convoy side is largely an extremely uneducated group. Many of them rural, many of them religious. But unquestionably they are vastly undereducated. I understand the business owner segment and the government overreach segment. But that's largely not who showed up for this.

There's a lot of hard working people in there, and a lot of people who love their country and their families. But let's be clear, this is darn near the bottom of the barrel as it relates to intelligence and critical thinking.

I spent a long time talking to them and listening to them for those weeks. Most have very similar stories.

The lack of a viable centrist option (on the right) created this weirdo dynamic where smart right-leaning people basically have to rally shoulder to shoulder with some of the simplest people you will ever meet. On the left it's not quite so bad, yet. At least in Canada, the Liberals are a tad more centrist today compared to the move I think the conservatives are about to make. If and when the conservatives go hard-right (harder, anyway), I think they're done for. What worked in the USA won't work here. They're already finished, but that would be the real death blow.

I think they could win a majority with her over Justin . I am on the fence with her

I don't think Poilievre would have an easy time of it with her at all. He'd perform far better vs JT.

That assumes he beats Charest. That said siding against law & order when you're the law & order party shows how funny it's all become over here with the conservatives.