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02-23-2022 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
It feels like every decision the government has made the past 2 years have been based on nothing but polling.
The right wing including your twitter buddy there spent the last week trying to paint Trudeau as some sort of dictatorial despot seizing power for himself. Somehow cancelling all these powers - appropriately - a few days after the emergency has ended doesn't quite fit the narrative. So we get this whiplash change of the goal posts to him uh just responding to polling (like a despot?). But what polls? The one I saw a couple days ago was pretty split with about the same number of people supporting it as against it. Which makes sense in our everything-is-partisan world where two of the parties supported it and two did not.
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02-23-2022 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Trudeau revokes Emergencies Act, appropriate so. Excellent work all round. When I saw this morning one of the big camps outside ottawa of truckers had disbanned I thought yup probably about time.

There was a lot of fear mongering about prolonged power grabs and blah blah blah and all of that proved utter nonsense. We had a significant emergency in Ottawa the police and province consistently said they didn't have the ability to right. Trudeau did an extremely brief, targeted declaration of the emergencies act. IT WORKED. With the new powers - that police cited as crucial - they were able to clear it out over the weekend. We now have tranquility, to use Pierre's phrase, in Ottawa.

The elephant in the room seems to be that there is something found in the money. Freeland talking about how some accounts will remain frozen based on existing legislation. I think they found something. But they are being very closed lipped right now. Thankfully Trudeau is setting up the required commission to investigate the use and hopefully everything will come out. Foreign and domestic.
Lets be clear he have had no choice to end it. He could have ended it yesterday but his ego wanted the vote. Now the senate vote was not a given with even a senator he appointed saying he would vote no.

I am glad to see the bouncy castle is gone. From the Truckers to the Conservatives to the Liberals and the PM they all acted poorly
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02-23-2022 , 11:02 PM
I don't know that he had "no choice". The right was trying to present this as some dictatorial take over. Dictators don't give up their newfound powers a few days later. He could have chosen to do that if they were correct. Instead, he did the right thing.

This entire affair was an excellent example of leadership in a hyperpartisan environment. The conservative premiers tried to get mad at Trudeau for not acting, dragging him for (correctly) not over reacting in the beginning. But when it became clear the occupation was too damaging and beyond the capacity of local police, Trudeau acted, as the conservatives wanted. Within 72 hours everything is back to normal. Incredible execution. Instead of being thankful, the right then all gets mad that Trudeau acting and accomplished exactly what they were dragging him for not doing. But then they pivoted to being super mad at how he accomplished what they wanted him to accomplish, acting as if this was some crazy over the top seizure of powers. He then - once again - correctly suspends the act very quickly putting the lie to all the dictator comparisons.
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02-24-2022 , 01:06 AM
Don'i been silly
Real leaders like Chrétien would have met the convoy on day 1 and either had a beer with them or a fist fight.
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02-24-2022 , 01:46 AM
Ah yes, the morons who drove up with **** TRUDEAU emblazoned on their trucks demanding the Governor General magically get rid of him….somehow….would totally have packed up and left if he just went and legitimized their idiocy with a “meeting”
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02-24-2022 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Eder
Don'i been silly
Real leaders like Chrétien would have met the convoy on day 1 and either had a beer with them or a fist fight.

This is pretty much True. He has just divided the country more. If this had been Quebec Dairy Farmers or Indigenous protesters he would have done nothing. It was mainly white western truckers and they never vote Trudeau so who cares marginalize them all .

I hope a court still rules on the legality of what he did for future protests
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02-24-2022 , 10:44 AM
Is that a joke? These white occupiers causing huge economic damage were treated with the softest of kid gloves for weeks on end. It paled in comparison to the militarized treatment against indigenous protesters similarly violating injunctions on their territories.

Wtf are you expecting the courts to do? The emergencies act is completely legal part of our country and voted on by parliament. Wishful thinking isn’t going to change that.

The simple truth is that the act was applied in a targeted way to successfully accomplish what everyone wanted accomplished, then immediately removed again. It was a success. It sets a fantastic historical precedent of how to apply these laws in a way that solves crises without being the kind of power grab that the conservatives pretended to care about. Great job Trudeau!!
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02-24-2022 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Is that a joke? These white occupiers causing huge economic damage were treated with the softest of kid gloves for weeks on end. It paled in comparison to the militarized treatment against indigenous protesters similarly violating injunctions on their territories.

Wtf are you expecting the courts to do? The emergencies act is completely legal part of our country and voted on by parliament. Wishful thinking isn’t going to change that.

The simple truth is that the act was applied in a targeted way to successfully accomplish what everyone wanted accomplished, then immediately removed again. It was a success. It sets a fantastic historical precedent of how to apply these laws in a way that solves crises without being the kind of power grab that the conservatives pretended to care about. Great job Trudeau!!
You just made my argument. Did they use the emergency act on those Indigenous protesters? In remote communities as well. Nope

Its done JT knew he wouldnt get past the senate and removed it. I am sure his experts told him it would not get past the courts as well.

Kudos to Jason Kenney as Saturday Alberta takes the next step and removing the useless cloth mandates.
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02-24-2022 , 11:42 AM
My goodness you’ve gotten derpy recently. The protests in remote communities were not holding the downtown of one of our cities hostage for weeks on end. **** man, the situations are obviously different and thinking that the EA wasn’t applied to every protests ever is somehow hypocritical is just pathetic. Especially when these white protesters were dealt with extremely softly for weeks on end, almost unimaginable if that had been an indigenous protest on the same scale.

Where is this conspiracy theory coming from? Like the act was extremely likely to get through the senate, and the idea it was going to be blocked by the courts is utter nonsense. Is this just some new conservative talking point to try and take away from Trudeau - once again - acting appropriately and ending it when the crisis had obviously passed?

I hope Alberta’s race to remove all restrictions doesn’t **** them like their last attempt last summer. Glad I live in BC though.
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02-24-2022 , 12:05 PM
lozen I don't think that makes your point.

I may be wrong here and would like correction and to learn something if I am but I think all negotiations over Indigenous claims to land, such as the ones that lead to blockades, etc are with the Federal gov't regardless of Province they take place in. I am not saying the specific Province does not have a role and cannot police them but the ultimate settling of the dispute, if done, requires the Fed intervention.

The Feds are also free to use police these actions regardless of Province. And they have in the past by cracking skulls and killing protestors in pitch battles before driving them off.

In this case the truckers fall first under Provincial authority and while the Ontario gov't should have been able to handle with the OPP and Ottawa police it was clear it would be messy and potentially end in extreme violence right in the middle of a busy city.

I think the truck convey backers recognized this and relished this. They wanted pitch battles in the street and bloodshed and hopefully some collateral damage.

They mocked Trudeau and the Fed's impotence in being able to deal with their brilliant plan, assuming the Province and also the Fed's would have no clear response to avoid what was coming if they acted.

Instead Trudeau and his advisors saw an easier way that likely would avoid almost all injuries and blood shed but that the Fed's could not implement without the Emergencies Act. Just cut off their money, and quickly cash starve out their willingness to fight and make them feel the increasing out pouring of US and other foreign money coming their way was never going to reach them.

That results in a 'humph, well that changes everything' moment for the Protesters, who had begun to see this more as grift than movement. No way cutting off funds to Indigenous protestors would get them to throw in the towel so easily.

So to me, you seem to be condemning Trudeau for using the one measure he had in his tool box, that is meant to be used very rarely, in a situation where it worked beautifully because they did not use it in the past, when the Fed's did not need that authority to act, and thus why invoke it, when you already have the authority to act.

Look I hate Trudeau as much as the next guy. Hated his father too and hated Chretien after (even though I think in many ways Chretien was a very effective PM). I think Chretien and Mulroney (and Paul Martin in his short reign) were amongst the best in my life time. I worked the campaign for Peter Kemp in my Toronto district when he first tried to break into politics as Conservative, after I walked into his riding office and he took the time to sit and speak to me about why he was running.

I have certainly drifted far more liberal as I have aged, and pretty near progressive in many areas (the opposite of what they say typically happens to aging Bay Street exec's who they say are liberal when young and Conservative as they age) but this complaint against Trudeau is hollow. It reeks of sour grapes that many thought they had him, and thus Canada, stuck in a trap that would take months to unwind and in one quick move it was undone in a weekend with zero fanfare. There is a 'how dare they be so effective' type rage being exhibited now as if it was a requirement for the Fed's to fight with one hand tied behind their back and to accept the fall out from that.
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02-24-2022 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You just made my argument. Did they use the emergency act on those Indigenous protesters? In remote communities as well. Nope

Its done JT knew he wouldnt get past the senate and removed it. I am sure his experts told him it would not get past the courts as well.

Kudos to Jason Kenney as Saturday Alberta takes the next step and removing the useless cloth mandates.
Where did you hear that things would change on Saturday?
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02-24-2022 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Where did you hear that things would change on Saturday?

Kenney is making an announcement on Saturday that we are heading to the next step. This was reported on local news yesterday and today
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02-24-2022 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
lozen I don't think that makes your point.

I may be wrong here and would like correction and to learn something if I am but I think all negotiations over Indigenous claims to land, such as the ones that lead to blockades, etc are with the Federal gov't regardless of Province they take place in. I am not saying the specific Province does not have a role and cannot police them but the ultimate settling of the dispute, if done, requires the Fed intervention.

The Feds are also free to use police these actions regardless of Province. And they have in the past by cracking skulls and killing protestors in pitch battles before driving them off.

In this case the truckers fall first under Provincial authority and while the Ontario gov't should have been able to handle with the OPP and Ottawa police it was clear it would be messy and potentially end in extreme violence right in the middle of a busy city.

I think the truck convey backers recognized this and relished this. They wanted pitch battles in the street and bloodshed and hopefully some collateral damage.

They mocked Trudeau and the Fed's impotence in being able to deal with their brilliant plan, assuming the Province and also the Fed's would have no clear response to avoid what was coming if they acted.

Instead Trudeau and his advisors saw an easier way that likely would avoid almost all injuries and blood shed but that the Fed's could not implement without the Emergencies Act. Just cut off their money, and quickly cash starve out their willingness to fight and make them feel the increasing out pouring of US and other foreign money coming their way was never going to reach them.

That results in a 'humph, well that changes everything' moment for the Protesters, who had begun to see this more as grift than movement. No way cutting off funds to Indigenous protestors would get them to throw in the towel so easily.

So to me, you seem to be condemning Trudeau for using the one measure he had in his tool box, that is meant to be used very rarely, in a situation where it worked beautifully because they did not use it in the past, when the Fed's did not need that authority to act, and thus why invoke it, when you already have the authority to act.

Look I hate Trudeau as much as the next guy. Hated his father too and hated Chretien after (even though I think in many ways Chretien was a very effective PM). I think Chretien and Mulroney (and Paul Martin in his short reign) were amongst the best in my life time. I worked the campaign for Peter Kemp in my Toronto district when he first tried to break into politics as Conservative, after I walked into his riding office and he took the time to sit and speak to me about why he was running.




I have certainly drifted far more liberal as I have aged, and pretty near progressive in many areas (the opposite of what they say typically happens to aging Bay Street exec's who they say are liberal when young and Conservative as they age) but this complaint against Trudeau is hollow. It reeks of sour grapes that many thought they had him, and thus Canada, stuck in a trap that would take months to unwind and in one quick move it was undone in a weekend with zero fanfare. There is a 'how dare they be so effective' type rage being exhibited now as if it was a requirement for the Fed's to fight with one hand tied behind their back and to accept the fall out from that.
I am condemning him for the original vaccine mandate for the truckers. It was a useless thing and led to the problem. I am condemning both the provincial and municipal governments for not being prepared. They knew how big the convoy was and there were signs directing the truckers to parliament hill. They could have easily erected concrete barriers to keep them out.
My problem is with freezing bank accounts

Like I said this was a failure on the Federal Government and the Provincial government and a huge failure on Municipal governments. As well the Truckers were in the wrong once they blockaded the borders.


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Look I hate Trudeau as much as the next guy. Hated his father too and hated Chretien after (even though I think in many ways Chretien was a very effective PM). I think Chretien and Mulroney (and Paul Martin in his short reign) were amongst the best in my life time.
I would agree and history will show Justin Trudeau as one of the worst.
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02-24-2022 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
You just made my argument. Did they use the emergency act on those Indigenous protesters? In remote communities as well. Nope
Yeah, that's what keeps me up at night - the unfair way in which we white people get treated, while the Indigenous peoples get all the breaks.

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Originally Posted by lozen
Its done JT knew he wouldnt get past the senate and removed it. I am sure his experts told him it would not get past the courts as well.
For sure. It's not like the protestors are all cleared out and now there was no need for it - if not for the mighty Senate and fear of the courts, I'm sure it still would have been in place for the duration of his term in office.
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02-24-2022 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, that's what keeps me up at night - the unfair way in which we white people get treated, while the Indigenous peoples get all the breaks.


For sure. It's not like the protestors are all cleared out and now there was no need for it - if not for the mighty Senate and fear of the courts, I'm sure it still would have been in place for the duration of his term in office.
Hey I get an Indigenous person in todays society may be the most discriminated people. Though its not like Justin has done much for them . Lots of promises delivers on nothing. Oh he did pick an Indigenous person as the Justice Minister but oh yeah that didn't last

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02-24-2022 , 09:24 PM
I know this is just good fortune and budgets balance themselves, but great news for Albertans! Lol at moving out of this wonderful province.



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02-24-2022 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
I know this is just good fortune and budgets balance themselves, but great news for Albertans! Lol at moving out of this wonderful province.



No more complain about inflation now because trudeau was so bad lol….
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02-25-2022 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
I know this is just good fortune and budgets balance themselves, but great news for Albertans! Lol at moving out of this wonderful province.



You do realize you can not rely on a the price of a barrel of oil to keep balancing the budget.

Reality is Alberta's are better off paying 1.50 a litre for gas as that means Oil is at a high

What baffled me yesterday is both Canada and the USA still import oil from Russia

Lets be honest any idiot could balance the budget at $100 oil .
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02-25-2022 , 12:44 PM
Thank you Justin !

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Seems our leader is donating to the Canadian Constitution Foundation that is suing him for illegal use of the emergency's act.
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02-25-2022 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Eder
Thank you Justin !

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Seems our leader is donating to the Canadian Constitution Foundation that is suing him for illegal use of the emergency's act.
Once again Justin trying to buy some one or a group off
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02-25-2022 , 03:27 PM
Oh those illegal democratically approved by elected parliament measures! What a dictator!
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02-25-2022 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Oh those illegal democratically approved by elected parliament measures! What a dictator!
Who used the term illegal? A bunch of us and the media, legal scholars, two of his own cabinet ministers and senator appointments did say they do not support or would not hold up to a judicial challenge

The man can be bought though

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...analysis-shows
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02-25-2022 , 03:54 PM
Uh....the post you just quoted? I know you are super excited that your boy Kenney is going to try and sue (after desperately pleading for the feds to do something in his letter), and power to them, but with all IANAL caveats applied, I wouldn't hold your breath on a judicial challenge.

And just ****ing lolololol at your OMG CHECK OUT THIS 2016 ARTICLE ABOUT THE TRUDEAU FOUNDATION. I'm curious, how does it work in your head. Like do you just randomly choose from your list of talking points and insert it completely independent of any relevancy like at all to the conversation?
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02-25-2022 , 03:56 PM
In terms of how does it work in his head, my suspicion is that he may not be a fan of Trudeau.
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02-25-2022 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
I know this is just good fortune and budgets balance themselves, but great news for Albertans! Lol at moving out of this wonderful province.



This is horrible news to me. It means that there will be layoffs and cutbacks right at the worst possible time, as we're climbing out of a huge economic mess caused by Covid. If anything this is a time to borrow more and invest it in the economy while interest rates are still virtually nil.

But, as usual, the right will make exactly the wrong economic moves and at exactly the wrong times. They've done this consistently throughout history.
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