Which doesn't explain what you meant by "Lol at playing both sides card when you use age for death rates but not vaccination rates." As for vaccines not stopping transmission, I'm glad you finally figured out what everyone else has known since the beginning, which is why no one ever claimed that vaccines stop transmission. But they can greatly slow it, which is something that you might have seen some evidence of if not for the fact that you apparently "...have no idea about case rates and don't really pay attention to the case totals".

LOL. First of all, that's not what moving the goal posts means. You made a rather vague post about the death rate in AB, and people gave reasons why that wasn't all that great. As for no one mentioning it, I'm not sure why you're thinking that would be brought up out of the blue. I don't think anyone's had the idea to get excited about AB's fatality rate before, which is the logical time to bring up counter-arguments.

Simply noting that your point is rather meaningless. Great, lots of people might think AB's death rate is above the average. Who cares? Also, your constant "below the national average" claim doesn't seem especially important. I tend to find comparing any of the four larger provinces to any others rather pointless. AB has the 2nd highest death rate among those four provinces, in spite of being the youngest of them. The average which you are so proud of AB being below is dragged up significantly by QC. So yes, AB is outperforming QC by quite a margin (as is the rest of the country), but trails most other provinces.

All that said, it's not like AB is some complete disaster. They've trailed in vaccination rates throughout, and have been slow to tighten measures, and as a result have some of the poorer results in the country, but not disastrously so. And being towards the bottom end of Canadian results still leaves them in decent standing in the western world.

No one on how all these people feed themselves with constant lockdowns? Just was curious

Gov hands out money like candy. I'm more convinced now than ever that a few weeks of half assed lockdowns really do the trick

Even the term.lockdown is hilarious at this point bc it isn't a lockdown. China locks tf down. This is more of a "let's look like we're doing something, anything, even if it's at least a month too late"

Should be called hospitality sector sodomy

This is a total lie. I did not have to be pressed. I just call the carbon tax a conservative tax as it impacts rural folks more than city dwellers.
The premise that a person making under $40,000 that pays lets say $80 in carbon taxes gets hundreds back is nuts. The farmer who has no choice but to consume carbon gets nothing

I would support a carbon tax with no rebates that goes into a separate fund that invests in climate action only and is audited

Uke has called me a climate phony but no I am a climate realist and will not destroy CDN jobs to create Chinese or Russian jobs

There is a movie on Netflix that sums up Climate Change " Don't Look Up"

The world is doomed unless technology saves us cause JT will not.

Even with the carbon tax Canada is a leader in raising emissions every year. Yes we know Uke its Harper's fault

I really don't care much about the price of oil. Yeah high prices are good for Alberta, Canada and the industry. But oil companies are the most inovative industry on the planet and have been around for a century, they'll always find ways to make money. I care about cheap, plentiful, reliable energy and policies/rhetoric that don't attempt to restrict the use of it.

I don't think I've ever advocated that we need to do things to increase the price of oil. If you are concerned about high oil prices you should go after the leftist hostile policies/rhetoric that negatively affect investment in the industry.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...outputType=amp

Think that happens in the current political environment? Probably not so don't expect lower oil prices anytime soon.

Here is some basic, basic math for you. When you are looking at a rate, i.e. deaths per 100k or whatever, then "fourth ranking province in population" is utterly completely obviously irrelevant. Can't believe I have to explain what rates are to grown ups on an internet forum.

As to case rates, you provided the link showing Alberta was dead last in case rates. The only reason they aren't dead last in deaths is the structural advantage that they have a much, much younger population. So basically the thing you can influence (case rates, via policies etc) they were absolutely terrible at and the one thing that is baked in (population age) is the only thing you harp on about.

So no, Alberta firmly retains its worst province status at dealing with covid. Still worst in vaccinations too!

What do you mean "magical rebates"? Do tell us these implications. Are you denying most of the money is sent right back to Canadian's pockets in the form of rebates?

Yes but I think if you Alberta and compared it to other countries we would excel.

According to this fully vaccinated Sask is worse

AS well Alberta has a large community of religious folks that do not believe in any vaccines Hutterites and Mennonites

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...tion-coverage/

As much as the Federal government did an incredible job getting the vaccines it has done a horrible job on testing

Has anyone seen or heard from the PM or is politically correct minister in charge on testing

Rural folks don't necessarily have higher carbon usage than city folks. This divide is a factor, but a limited one:
The biggest factor? Note the rural/urban divide but the wealth divide. Wealthy people consume more, which has more emissions. Regardless, that the carbon tax is going to be -EV for some and +EV for others is a feature, not a bug. You can't criticize it by saying "look at this group of -EV people!". The entire goal is to have the canadian economy slowly slowly shift toward less carbon intensive things. If a particular crop is particularly carbon intensive, that crop gets more expensive and so used less, etc. If you whine at even very small and insignificant levels of taxation on carbon, then canada will never even begin to hold its part of the global responsibility.

I don't believe you. You don't support an approximately revenue neutral carbon tax that returns most of the proceeds right back to Canadians, but you are saying as a conservative voter you would support that same level of taxation but the government gets to keep it all? If so, you are WILDLY supporting the wrong party my dude.

Sure guys. Dead last in one metric of vaccinated, second last in another. Whatever you guys need to tell yourself to feel better.


Sure. Some. And also a whole metric **** tonne of nutjob conservatives. The same people the moronic Kenney was appealing to with his terrible policies that resulted in last-in-the-country case rate. You guys did terrible, sorry.



This is mostly the provinces. I know, I know, every time your province does terribly you wish the federal government had come in and ripped up the Charter, taken over, and done better than your own leaders. It's easy to blame the federal government when a province leaves a bunch of tests in the warehouse, isn't it?

A rural individual has no option of public transport as well their kids have further to travel by bus. Those two factors alone are a huge impact

You fail to realize I acknowledge that Climate Change is a serious issue but I do not support any plan that costs CDN's their jobs and living while supporting Authoritarian states economies which is what we are doing .

Like I said if you have not yet Watched " Dont Look up" great commentary on climate change

Another analogy is the Olympics should it go forward with Covid? Not a chance but greed will keep it going the same applies to climate change

lol ?
Your the one complaining about oil prices increasing due carbon tax while at the same time complaining about government doing nothing to fight inflation ?

Ending up being me complaining about oil prices ?
I just explain to you you can’t have low inflation with high oil price which obviously you would love to oil go up like it did a decade ago , racking massive profits for Alberta at the expense of the ROC .
Bravo ……

the power of Canadian government to influence world oil prices is practically nil .
You can complain all you want about trudeau, if opec and Russia cut production , will all pay high oil prices and getting huge inflation .
Even Biden lately tried to join with China and other countries to take some of their oil reserve to lower the prices .
You think little trudeau can do much with some Canadian policies ?

Sure. And as indicated in my quote earlier, they are less likely to consume in other ways. The point is we want to shift people to less carbon intensive activities, and that very well might mean the geographic distribution of how long peoples commutes are changes as well! It is a feature, not a bug, that carbon intensive things like driving long distances cost more and places in the economy where this isn't necessary may diminish in time.

Lol. The Carbon tax rebates most of the dollars back to Canadian, and you are seriously - seriously - droning on about "authoritarian state economies". GTFO.

When your shipping the dirtiest fuel from the USA to China through your ports yes

You could easily stop that and give all those dock workers those high paying green jobs


And testing kits are a federal Responsibility like vaccines

Ok next up you gotta do your tofino sewage plant talking point!!

It is hard to read your posts in any way other than that climate change is just a talking point to criticize trudeau, and not something you actually would ever vote for someone to lift a finger on.

And all you can do like Trudeau is blame harper

Oh yeah and Trudeau likes to use the excuse Its hard.

Who gets the money? How does it work? How does the bill get passed so fast?

There's better mash-up videos but thid is the first one the came up, lots of Fauci, CDC, Bill Gates, mainstream media etc saying the same thing. And yea I had no idea what provinces have the highest case rates, because it doesn't really matter we are all mostly getting COVID eventually anyway if we haven't already.


I'm not sure why you are so upset about my rather vague post? Maybe because for the last 2 years the narrative was omg Alberta is a complete disaster. And articles like this were being written.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6177965

Weird he never used Quebec as an example eh.

Obviously it is, I admitted I misread your post, no one asked you to explain it.

The link I provided was for deaths/100k. It's weird the ago of the population is only being brought up now? Why?


But Alberta is a much, much younger population!! LOL grow up we are talking about a percentage or 2. Parts of Calgary and Edmonton have 99% vaccination rates. The vaccination rate of 50+ in Alberta is over 90%.

That's probably because I'm not, nor have I ever been.

I'm not complaining about oil prices. I'm saying GAS prices going up 9c/L because of a tax is going to be hard on the lower/middle class who are already struggling as it is.


Oil and Gas makes up ~8% of Canada's GDP +billions$ annually from royalties.




You realize the USA was the worlds leading oil producer under the previous administration right?

You do realize that Canada has the worlds 3rd largest oil reserves right? His policies/rhetoric have affect on the industry. You think little Trudeau can solve climate change with some Canadian policies?

I'm not going to pretend to know what the implications of it will be and nobody really does. This a big experiment for a oil and gas country that's huge and frozen for 4-8 months of year to tax this most critical thing in people's lives.

I'm not denying anything, but I know you are spreading propaganda and it's not as simple as you claim. Do all provinces get a rebate? What about people that don't file taxes typically lower income? 10-15% of people don't file a return reach year, do they miss out on the rebates?

Propaganda film. But do you think the commit is fossil fuels or people wanting to ban fossil fuels?

If you're laid off bc covid just go on the gov website and fill in the blanks. I believe your employer has to send your record of employment to the government
Only about half a billion in known fraud so far

Businesses get help as well and payments for workers is 2k a month. It gets passed as emergency funding I guess so doesn't take long

Shouldn’t pressure on those that actually creates inflation ( demand side being too high on oil ) be tax first ?
Oil is a major components of inflation and its already very high isn’t ?
What else u propose if not to try reduce the demand side ?
What else can be done ?
Increasing supply side but then it’s not a sustainable solution for many reasons .


Yeah so ?
92% of gdp do not comes from oil ?
And isn’t alberta has the highest income in Canada ?


Yes with shale ?
And look what happened , it got busted because it wasn’t profitable unless at very high prices of oil .
That is why today the US got problems to my understanding.


Canada got almost no effect because let’s say for fun Canada drop massively it’s production , others like Saudi will just produce more .
Fwiw, Climate change probably won’t be solve by 1 magic solution but a multitudes of little ones where carbon tax fits right in .