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11-16-2021 , 08:49 PM
These areas in BC fought a summer of devastating fires and now are faced with floods.

Has to be something biblical here right Rip? Locusts next?

B.C. flood update: One woman dead from mudslide near Lillooet | More than 1,200 trapped in Hope | Sumas Prairie, Yarrow under evacuation order | 20 rainfall records set

An “atmospheric river” hit southern B.C. on Sunday and Monday, dumping huge amounts of rain across the region and causing widespread flooding, mudslides and rockslides.



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Here’s a look at some numbers:

• 275 people, including 50 children: number of people who were trapped between two landslides on Highway 7.
• 225 mm: rain measured in Hope, since a storm began Saturday.
• 344 mm: average rainfall for the entire month of November in Hope.
• 250 mm: rainfall predicted for the eastern Fraser Valley by Monday.
• 7,000: estimated number of people evacuated from Merritt, due to rising Coldwater River.
• 3.1 metres: estimated height of the Coldwater River.
• 24: estimated number of closures on B.C. highways due to rock or mudslides and flooding.
• Up to 50 cm: amount of snow predicted for the East Columbia, Kinbasket and Yellowhead regions because of the same Pacific frontal system hitting the south coast.


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11-17-2021 , 08:19 AM
Yeah, the Vancouver area is cut off via land from the rest of BC, and subsequently the country, without taking a very long route through the US. I'm sure they'll find a way to limp traffic through in the coming days and weeks, but it's hard to imagine anything approaching full capacity before the spring or summer at least.

And then there are all the towns that have been completely evacuated, and arguably hardest hit of all will be the farming community in the Fraser valley, which is facing huge evacuation orders more than 24 hours after the weather cleared. They are getting the downstream effects from the interior via the Fraser, but even more significant issues coming from Washington state.

And of course grocery store shelves are immediately emptying.
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11-17-2021 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, the Vancouver area is cut off via land from the rest of BC, and subsequently the country, without taking a very long route through the US. I'm sure they'll find a way to limp traffic through in the coming days and weeks, but it's hard to imagine anything approaching full capacity before the spring or summer at least.

And then there are all the towns that have been completely evacuated, and arguably hardest hit of all will be the farming community in the Fraser valley, which is facing huge evacuation orders more than 24 hours after the weather cleared. They are getting the downstream effects from the interior via the Fraser, but even more significant issues coming from Washington state.

And of course grocery store shelves are immediately emptying.
I saw the damage on the Coq and was like that may take 6-9 months to fix and Highway 1 is still closed. That means a ton of traffic through Radium which is a scary drive

Scary scene
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11-17-2021 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I saw the damage on the Coq and was like that may take 6-9 months to fix and Highway 1 is still closed. That means a ton of traffic through Radium which is a scary drive

Scary scene
Had a friend drive from Golden to Calgary on Sunday and it took them over 14 hours. With the construction around Golden and through Radium being the only way out, it was a huge fail by department of highways not being prepared for that snow fall.
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11-17-2021 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Had a friend drive from Golden to Calgary on Sunday and it took them over 14 hours. With the construction around Golden and through Radium being the only way out, it was a huge fail by department of highways not being prepared for that snow fall.
I did Edmonton to Kimberly that way two weeks ago it was dry as can be and so many Trucks and they struggled. Very few passing lanes. On the way back one had flipped over. Gorgeous drive though. Once past radium it was fine .

I can only imagine in the winter
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11-17-2021 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I did Edmonton to Kimberly that way two weeks ago it was dry as can be and so many Trucks and they struggled. Very few passing lanes. On the way back one had flipped over. Gorgeous drive though. Once past radium it was fine .

I can only imagine in the winter
Explain? I am curious as I have only driven it once, when I moved from Edmonton to Vancouver last year as I always wanted to drive thru the mountain pass once, just as I want to drive from BC to Ontario once just to experience it.

What is the challenge on the Radium route that you don't get on the more main route? Is it just so few places to pass that people get reckless?
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11-17-2021 , 01:31 PM
Pretty crazy stuff. As climate change rages on, it is going to continue amping up the pressure of how much spending do we do on basic infrastructure supports.
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11-17-2021 , 02:03 PM
And continue to push money up to the top as tax payers are forced to pay for the majority of the fixes and costs while corporations massively underpay and enjoy profits based on their contributions and causal effects.
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11-17-2021 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Explain? I am curious as I have only driven it once, when I moved from Edmonton to Vancouver last year as I always wanted to drive thru the mountain pass once, just as I want to drive from BC to Ontario once just to experience it.

What is the challenge on the Radium route that you don't get on the more main route? Is it just so few places to pass that people get reckless?
The challenge right now is so many trucks with Highway 1 closed add in all the climbs and descents and so few passing lanes. I have taken the southern route as well highway 22 and Crowsnest pass and the wind can be an issue creating icy patches
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11-17-2021 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Pretty crazy stuff. As climate change rages on, it is going to continue amping up the pressure of how much spending do we do on basic infrastructure supports.
Cite or ban imo
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11-17-2021 , 02:59 PM
climate denialists are so cute.
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11-17-2021 , 03:16 PM
Is he really a denialist or just joking as even the big Oil companies are now seeking gov't money to protect their offshore and near shore assets from the effects of climate change.

They are acknowledging and saying that such critical infrastructure needs protecting to avoid Texas like shutdowns and thus taxpayer money should be spent to help them in that area.
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11-17-2021 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Pretty crazy stuff. As climate change rages on, it is going to continue amping up the pressure of how much spending do we do on basic infrastructure supports.
Is the argument that if we were not a warming up this would be snow? I thought about this one and can we say 100% that this is climate change and not a once in a 100 year rainfall. Now UKE I am not denying this storm could be an effect of climate change.
Sadly as we had the big climate conference were we accepted a watered down proposal that basically says the USA, China, India and Russia will be doing very little .........

Heck they had to shut down TransMountain

I had a old acquaintance up from the Yukon and we were discussing climate change over dinner and their big issue is the melting of permafrost
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11-17-2021 , 05:05 PM
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I thought about this one and can we say 100% that this is climate change and not a once in a 100 year rainfall. Now UKE I am not denying this storm could be an effect of climate change.
For any individual weather event, you can't 100% claim it is anything. It is just a weather event. However, shifting climate patterns makes "abnormal" weather events increasingly likely.
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11-17-2021 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
climate denialists are so cute.
Yep, I am in denial of the climate.
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11-17-2021 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
For any individual weather event, you can't 100% claim it is anything. It is just a weather event. However, shifting climate patterns makes "abnormal" weather events increasingly likely.
Cite or ban imo.
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11-17-2021 , 05:25 PM
Reality is we could shut down the tar sands, Plug every oil well in Canada, stop all coal from getting out of the ground and stop all US coal and we still will not halt the effects of climate change when the 4 biggest polluters are doing next to nothing and increasing emissions.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't do nothing but destroying our economy is not the answer
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11-17-2021 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Cite or ban imo.
This might actually be the dumbest "cite or ban" of all time. I can guarantee that there are 100s, possibly 1000s, of peer reviewed papers that support the claim that climate change makes abnormal or extreme weather events more likely. It would be genuinely difficult to find a non-trivial claim with more potential citations than this.

To give just one of the most high profile sources, a major report from The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a UN body:

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A changing climate can be expected to lead to changes in climate and weather extremes.
There is a full chapter discussing exactly why this is true but this first line from the FAQ question "Has Climate Change Affected Individual Extreme Events?" is virtually identical to uke's claim.
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11-17-2021 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Reality is we could shut down the tar sands, Plug every oil well in Canada, stop all coal from getting out of the ground and stop all US coal and we still will not halt the effects of climate change when the 4 biggest polluters are doing next to nothing and increasing emissions.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't do nothing but destroying our economy is not the answer
We won't destroy our resource based economy.

That is simply not reality and anyone pushing for that end lives in fantasy and not reality.

That is why the best thing we can do is try to make our resource extraction and shipping as clean as possible. That involves pipelines.

You simply are not fighting for the environment if you fight against pipelines. YOU ARE NOT. You may fantasize you are and you are going to stop AB from extracting and shipping oil but that is foolish fantasy. All you end up doing is fighting to keep it as dirty and polluting as possible. Some in the misguided belief that maybe then they still extracting it.
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11-17-2021 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Yep, I am in denial of the climate.
see? You guys are adorable.
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11-18-2021 , 01:40 PM
So are amazing Liberals are getting ready to announce that if you only go to the USA for 72 hours you do not require a PCR test to return.
Hmmm I never seen the science on this Are you more likely to catch Covid at the 73 hour mark.

Like make it 7 days at least or target certain areas
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11-18-2021 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
This might actually be the dumbest "cite or ban" of all time. I can guarantee that there are 100s, possibly 1000s, of peer reviewed papers that support the claim that climate change makes abnormal or extreme weather events more likely. It would be genuinely difficult to find a non-trivial claim with more potential citations than this.

To give just one of the most high profile sources, a major report from The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a UN body:



There is a full chapter discussing exactly why this is true but this first line from the FAQ question "Has Climate Change Affected Individual Extreme Events?" is virtually identical to uke's claim.
Funnily enough, shortly after posting my comment I read a CBC article quoting a professor saying exactly the same thing: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ange-1.6251267

Just lol at giving me the "Cite or ban" treatment on this.
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11-18-2021 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
So are amazing Liberals are getting ready to announce that if you only go to the USA for 72 hours you do not require a PCR test to return.
Hmmm I never seen the science on this Are you more likely to catch Covid at the 73 hour mark.

Like make it 7 days at least or target certain areas
Are you more likely to catch covid at the 8 day mark? Any line you draw falls to the same criticism.

There has been mounting calls that the PCR tests are too onerous and putting a significant negative economic effect on cross border business which is usually these short turn around type of things. As with every other covid public health decision, we balance the effect on the economy with the effect on public health. From what I can tell, the expectations should be this change ought to be pretty marginal (as people are regularly involved around Canada in the economy without getting PCR tests every 3 days) and so it is probably a reasonable trade off.

Remember, these are all people with proof of double vaccination.
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11-18-2021 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Are you more likely to catch covid at the 8 day mark? Any line you draw falls to the same criticism.

There has been mounting calls that the PCR tests are too onerous and putting a significant negative economic effect on cross border business which is usually these short turn around type of things. As with every other covid public health decision, we balance the effect on the economy with the effect on public health. From what I can tell, the expectations should be this change ought to be pretty marginal (as people are regularly involved around Canada in the economy without getting PCR tests every 3 days) and so it is probably a reasonable trade off.

Remember, these are all people with proof of double vaccination.
If its cross border shopping than say the same day. Your telling me that someone that goes to Las Vegas for 72 hours is less dangerous than 96 hours
Everyone has to fully vaccinated so the chances are low that you catch it anyways


From a CBC article

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pcr...ours-1.6252039


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Business groups have called for a more streamlined approach to traffic between the two countries.

"The leaders of Canada, the United States and Mexico should prioritize removing friction from our mutual borders," said Perrin Beatty, president and CEO of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce.

"Getting rid of unnecessary and outdated travel rules will help Canada's businesses get back to work – and compete."

Former foreign affairs minister John Manley said the PCR-type test requirement should be dropped completely.

"The mandatory pre-departure PCR test for fully vaccinated travellers is not rooted in science and should be removed," he said in a media statement.
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11-18-2021 , 02:07 PM
On a lighter note Fifth Estate is doing a show tonight on the Corrupt WE Charity

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/we-ch...show-1.6251985
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