My discussion is over this election and a Prime Minister whom said? No one wants an election during a pandemic" When in fact what he meant was unless there is a slim chance I can get a majority.

During Covid I think it is wrong for any party to do it. Like I said I support your idea of an election every 4 years weather its a minority or not going forward

They had a good slate of diverse candidates including my riding. Sadly they never won

I would call it a "mistake" for the other parties to make that discretionary judgment call that then ended up losing them seats and giving the Liberals a Majority.

I also think they would call it a mistake and i think you would see many in Leadership and their top consultants heads roll as punishment for the perceived mistake.


I think the problem in this discussion is it very easy to conflate the words around this topic wrongly.

So as discussed with Bobo prior how you define a 'win' absolutely does matter.

If you just want a 100% technical analysis that any win of the election is a 'Win' everyone should concede that and move on. Even if Trudeau had a majority, and thought he could extend that majority another 4 years by calling an early election and strengthen his majority but what in fact happened is they lost seats and now hold a tiny minority, they still 'won' the election if you are going to stick with strict language and technical analysis only.

One would make the discussion untenable for all if that is how strictly they were defining a 'win'.

The liberals would not call it a 'win' and heads rolling would be proof of how they ultimately viewed it.

That applies equally to your question about the 'other party(s)' who are out of power but knowing they have the power to force an election doing so thinking they have an advantage and can either gain power or weaken the liberals but then end up handing them a majority or strengthening them.

yup, I call that a mistake. I expect heads would role as the party tried to punish and rectify that perceived mistake.


I often rail against Results based Thinking but this is one areas where it 100% applies as you are paying for people to strategize and use their best judgement to identify perceived opportunities and weaknesses. That is their entire role. And the ones who do it well succeed. The ones who do it poorly (make the judgement mistakes) get fired. You do not refuse to recognize the mistake and just keep hiring them to advise or make the next judgement call.

Alright. I'll hold you to that. If the conservatives oppose a confidence bill in the future, I expect you to be posting FURIOUSLY about how bad this is.




Ah yes, you never did find that claimed trudeau quote did you?

Did you feel - at all - unsafe in the election? To me it felt FAR safer than my job that I do every day, and far safer than I think most people. We had masks, social distancing, a big open space, **** it was safer than going to the grocery store!! I just don't buy that this was outrageous. And if you really think it is, I think for consistency you should be supporting far more massive restrictions on behaviour, especially in your worst-in-the-country province.





That's right, and sort of the point. The ridings the CPC is sure to win are predominantly white and they run white candidates. The riding the CPC isn't going to win are less white and the CPC runs diverse canadidates. At the end of the day, almost everyone elected is white. If they want to win long term, they need to have policies that appeal to non-white voters and one step they can take is to be more conscious of raising up non-white candidates, even in their "safe" ridings.

Unlike you I can be critical of the Conservatives as well as the liberals I have clearly demonstrated that on Kenney and some of the choices made by OToole

https://globalnews.ca/news/7338101/t...want-election/

At least they filter out the sexual abusers


Elections over maybe we can focus on all the campaign promises we know Justin will break

Ah, finally a quote! Now let's be clear this does NOT say what you have alluded to that he promised never to hold an election during a pandemic. It says that a full year ago he did not want an election and didn't think Canadians did either. Fair enough. A year later he did want an election. And a year later it was VASTLY safer to call an election with 85+% of voters being vaccinated and everyone back to work and life in a mostly normal way.

There are a few people still calling for much stricter regulations preventing people from going back to work and socializing and I suppose those extreme people would be justified in thinking the election was too unsafe. But for conservatives generally opposed to such restrictions? It is a bit rich.

I'm confused, didn't the Liberals do the right thing in BOTH the two cases when the information came out? At potentially great political cost to themselves?

I have yet to see any compelling evidence that the vetting of one party over another is superior. In Vuong's case it seemed he hid the information from the Liberals and the military alike. Maybe they were supposed to magically devine it from a crystal ball? Do you legitimately believe the CPC would have been able to catch this? Regardless, they did the right thing as soon as it was found out.

Here is a few questions in Vuong's case.
Why was it required for the liberals to drop him or him to resign? The charges against him were dropped.
Now if he had to complete a form that says Have you ever been Charged?
If your argument is well he did not disclose this to the party well I doubt Justin disclosed he had been accused of sexual assault or dressed up in black face multiple times

It isn't legally required they drop him (unlike lying to the military which is why he is being investigated there and is a crime), but it is certainly the right thing to do. He omitted a key detail that he was charged by the police from the vetting. I know you want to center this on Trudeau as always and lord knows Trudeau has made some outrageous mistakes, but the Liberals did the right here with Vuong.

Yes I get the military thing but if you never were convicted why must you disclose it?
Yes I used Trudeau as sample but there were things he never disclosed as well but got a pass
Is he not entitled to give his side of the story?
I get why the liberals dropped him I am just asking why must he resign?

Because it came out so late, a lot of people voted for him because he was a liberal, and thinking that he didn't have these skeletons in his closet and didn't know he was going to lie about them. Now that he is an independent and people know about the charge, they might wish to vote differently, for example, for someone who wins the liberal leadership election in that riding.

He should resign and a byelection be called.

But we do not make folks that cross the floor resign and call a byelection?

Well "we" can't make any elected official do anything once they are elected. But if you crossed the floor days before the election then yes I think you should resign and call a byelection. If someone does it a few months before the next election, no big deal we will have an election soon enough. If someone does it in the middle of a term, well it is sort of a sliding scale I'm not too invested either way.

Nice to see the two Michaels released so quick. I thought China might take a month or two. Not sure if this is there way of sending a direct message to the world

Yup, very nice to have that thorn removed from our side. We never know what kind of backroom negotiations the government was doing here, but kudos on having the Michaels on a Canadian military plane immediately. Thank goodness

Proves what we already knew but China laughably denied - that their imprisonment was tied to Wanzhou's.

Great to see it finally resolved.

+1

China will hit a wall soon enough economically with that kind of judicial system .
( if they ever try to be a reserve currency or an international economic platform ).
You just can’t trust a system like that as a foreigner .

They had a good run due to the US but it’s coming to an end .

That is what is scary by them releasing the two Michaels's only hours after the decision. They had no issue with folks knowing that. It was warning to the world

Should be a no brainer now for Justin to block Huawei from Canada's 5 G

Good news, now build one east.

And complete the one out west. In 3 more years Keystone will be back as well and that fool will be gone

I am just salivating over those sexy carbon tax dollars going to rolling into Justin Trudeau's bank account.

I am glad your finally admitting Justin is personally benefitting from being in Government. Though thinking he is stealing from the Carbon Tax fund that is a stretch

Lozen I found out the most scandalous thing the other day. Did you know the government pays Justin Trudeau a salary???? And they pay for his living expenses!

You do realize as well all that exported oil does not have a carbon tax on it .

I actually think the salary for a PM is kind of low. MP's is fine Though they all capitalize after out of office.

Well on Truth & Reconciliation day I think we can all agree both the Conservatives and Liberals on Indigenous issues have been a disappointment

10$/day childcare!!