O'Tooles climate change plan is as effective as Justin's.
I don't get it, are you ignorant or just plain lying? Let's give 100% credit to O'Toole's plan, that it can actually do all the things it imagines, that he will actually do it and not cop out, that the massive bureaucracy to track everyones spending is actually feasible, that it actually creates economic incentives to change behaviours just as strong as the Liberal plan. Give it every benefit of the doubt. It still ONLY rises to $50 per tonne by 2030, unlike the liberal plan that hits that next year and $170 by 2030. It simply isn't as effective. It doesn't pretend to be. It keeps the old Harper era carbon reduction goals, not joining the improved Trudeau goals that align with what Europe is doing. You think that is "as effective". Bullshit.
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Justin raised emissions in 6 years
Dude, the carbon tax plan came into effect, at its very lowest price level, in 2019, and we literally have one year of data about it. The vast majority of the emissions are all other effects priced into the economy.
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I am voting Conservative as OToole had integrity and Justin has none platforms aside.
Hook. Line. Sinker. When - and I suspect we both know it is just a matter of time - O'Toole starts breaking election promises like every other politician (and most importantly, those unambitious climate change ones), you are going to be stuck with someone whose platform you largely ignored and dosn't really represent anything you claim you want AND a typical politician without integrity who just promises whatever he thinks wins the leadership election and the whatever he thinks wins the general.
Uke things that are important to me not in a ranked order
Dogs
Environment & Climate Change
Opioid Addiction
Indigenous Affairs
China
Veterans
Sexual Assault in the Military
O'Toole has not had a chance to deal with any of them. Trudeau has lets just give you climate change even though the man bought a pipeline, Ok dumping millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Ocean and allows the USA to ship 27 million tons of coal through Vancouver ports
Animal welfare nothing
Opioids not much
Indigenous affairs broken every promise
China nothing
Veterans nothing and screwed over a admiral in a false attack and prosecution
sexual assault in the military nothing and lied about it
If Andrew Scheer was the candidate again I would vote for Singh
Monteroy is right anything but Trudeau
Monday will be interesting 3 races are tight in Edmonton
Uke things that are important to me not in a ranked order
Dogs
Environment & Climate Change
Opioid Addiction
Indigenous Affairs
China
Veterans
Sexual Assault in the Military
O'Toole has not had a chance to deal with any of them. Trudeau has lets just give you climate change even though the man bought a pipeline, Ok dumping millions of gallons of raw sewage into the Ocean and allows the USA to ship 27 million tons of coal through Vancouver ports
Animal welfare nothing
Opioids not much
Indigenous affairs broken every promise
China nothing
Veterans nothing and screwed over a admiral in a false attack and prosecution
sexual assault in the military nothing and lied about it
If Andrew Scheer was the candidate again I would vote for Singh
Monteroy is right anything but Trudeau
Monday will be interesting 3 races are tight in Edmonton
Lets be honest most of the promises from either party are BS
Who could have guessed that instead of addressing the substance of the criticism about your false or misleading claims, you just respammed your empty list
I don't get it, are you ignorant or just plain lying? Let's give 100% credit to O'Toole's plan, that it can actually do all the things it imagines, that he will actually do it and not cop out, that the massive bureaucracy to track everyones spending is actually feasible, that it actually creates economic incentives to change behaviours just as strong as the Liberal plan. Give it every benefit of the doubt. It still ONLY rises to $50 per tonne by 2030, unlike the liberal plan that hits that next year and $170 by 2030. It simply isn't as effective. It doesn't pretend to be. It keeps the old Harper era carbon reduction goals, not joining the improved Trudeau goals that align with what Europe is doing. You think that is "as effective". Bullshit.
Dude, the carbon tax plan came into effect, at its very lowest price level, in 2019, and we literally have one year of data about it. The vast majority of the emissions are all other effects priced into the economy.
Hook. Line. Sinker. When - and I suspect we both know it is just a matter of time - O'Toole starts breaking election promises like every other politician (and most importantly, those unambitious climate change ones), you are going to be stuck with someone whose platform you largely ignored and dosn't really represent anything you claim you want AND a typical politician without integrity who just promises whatever he thinks wins the leadership election and the whatever he thinks wins the general.
I have addressed your claims many times with the leaky boat scenario. Yes Trudeaus plan is better than O'Tooles I am not denying it. Their overall plans just suck and will have no little to no impact and our emissions show that
If he truly cared about climate change the first thing he would have done 6 years ago
Cancel all shipments of coal through BC ports and the workers that lost their jobs could take some of those high paying green jobs
Commit to ending all raw sewage being dumped into the Ocean
Not Bought a pipeline
Not let Quebec just rubber stamp projects that double their emissions
Implement a fair carbon tax that does not just target conservative voters
Actually show CDN's what he does in his the PM's residence to combat climate change
[8] Climate Barbie is own environment minister quit as she knew his plan was crap
OMG the candidate that Trudeau suspended his campaign I thought was accused of sexual assault when in fact he was charged. How the heck do you not catch that and the fact he will not remove him immediately.
Yes Trudeaus plan is better than O'Tooles I am not denying it.
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O'Tooles climate change plan is as effective as Justin's.
Which is it?
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Implement a fair carbon tax that does not just target conservative voters
What is the bullshit? Like I don' even know how you imagine something like this is true.
I've explained the highly dubious nature of your ~*LIST*~ multiple times. You don't need to spam it out each time.
I'd start by reading every single word of this first (from a conservative paper): https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-alone-alberta. Every word. And then realize that Victoria, as the last major jurisdiction in BC not to dump raw sewage went ahead and made the plant anyways.
The inflationistas ITT seemed to love pinning inflation on justin trudeau so, in that spirit, can we all give a big round of thanks to justin trudeau who has sent the price of lumber crashing so we can all afford those renos again? THANK YOU
OMG the candidate that Trudeau suspended his campaign I thought was accused of sexual assault when in fact he was charged. How the heck do you not catch that and the fact he will not remove him immediately.
They did remove him immediately. He is no longer a liberal candidate. MASSIVE credit to trudeau for doing the right thing here, in a very competitive seat, and willing to take the L to do the right thing. This may shock you, but political parties don't have access to police records. It sounds like the candidate also hid the information about the dropped charge from the military, and there is a separate investigation there.
They did remove him immediately. He is no longer a liberal candidate. MASSIVE credit to trudeau for doing the right thing here, in a very competitive seat, and willing to take the L to do the right thing. This may shock you, but political parties don't have access to police records. It sounds like the candidate also hid the information about the dropped charge from the military, and there is a separate investigation there.
Shocked-i mean I'm shocked it was the liberal Party, again.
They did remove him immediately. He is no longer a liberal candidate. MASSIVE credit to trudeau for doing the right thing here, in a very competitive seat, and willing to take the L to do the right thing. This may shock you, but political parties don't have access to police records. It sounds like the candidate also hid the information about the dropped charge from the military, and there is a separate investigation there.
If only they removed the leader for sexual assault
Sure lozen. You totally voted for the party who are authentic about climate change and will definitely accomplish all the things on your ~*list*~ of climate priorities. Not phonies at all. No chance "climate phonies" is a phrase that will come back to haunt you. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
So Berniers interview with Dr Peterson got around 200k views in 24 hours. Erin OToole has spent the last day or so talking about vote splitting. I wonder why he turned down an interview? I may be wrong but I think Otoole is going down the path of Scheer and we are going to see another Liberal Minority. Personally I think it's going to come down to if people are really sick of Trudeau or not, not that O'Toole is the better candidate. Should be an interesting Monday. I am hoping for a Liberal Minority.
Views seem to be in range of the other 45 episodes of his podcast. Peterson certainly originated in Canada, and I would suspect that his channel like mine has an outsized Canadian population as a percentage of English speakers, but he definitely is a global phenomenon and the overwhelming majority of those views are almost certainly outside of Canada. That isn't a bad thing, by the way.
I created the below post on April 15th asking 'Could Water be an economic Boon for Canada'. I am curious if someone could give a compelling reason why this could not work???
I am raising it again as US news is talking now about one of the most serious droughts to hit the Western Regions and how Cities and States are trying to 'buy up' as much 'emergency water' from as many sources as possible forcing the price to skyrocket...
I know election mania will rule the day but I just saw that Bill Maher took up my prior position, in posts here and here, on the question of 'Water Diversion' and 'Pipelines'.
Cliffs
- the West (Cali, etc will become unliveable if the trends continue requiring mass migrations)
- mentions all the already crisscrossing pipelines from East to West for oil and gas
- he mentions China is already doing it by mass moving water from areas of surplus (flooding) to areas of need (droughts)
- Israel is desalinating most of its water taking it from the ocean (hugely expensive)
- mentions Canada and areas of US that have flooding problems.
I continue to believe this is a discussion that needs to be had and Canada should be leading it. Feasibility studies should be commissioned. If current economics do not support it future ones certainly will, unless other solutions are found.
Heck this could be a great pivot for Justin's Pipelines. He already bought them, so why not put them to use?
Voted. Felt super safe. Great job to the election workers. Everyone was in a mask, everyone was social distancing, big open space. Definitely far safer than most things that most people do regularly. There are still some I think largely just pretend concerns from conservatives who screech about how unsafe it is (while doing far more unsafe things themselves and opposing rules like vaccine passports that actually make a difference). I think those people should be ignored or mocked, depending on your preference
I'm still with Shifty on PPC being blackballed by the media. CBC's banner photo includes the 5 leaders except for Bernier. I guess they are being consistent with the debate commission choices, but seriously including Paul and not Bernier is really silly, especially in just broad media coverage.
I'm not better at predicting the results than just looking at Poll Tracker. BUT i do think PPC support will soften a bit in the voting booth, giving CPC a bit of a boost, and it will be a nailbiter. I think some lib supporters are more likely to stay home.
Also saw data showing that mail in ballots are going to tilt heavily liberal, and won't be counted till tuesday, so things might look worse for the libs on monday than they will become on tuesday.
Election season ends tomorrow. Let's be nice to each other. All these candidates are ****, but we don't have to be.