Perhaps but another person could rightly believe that the Party could and should do better and not just offer rhetoric and that motivation comes from realizing they will lose votes and power if they do not. And if they believe they will always get the lesser of two evils vote they have little motivation to do so.

Two things on the campaign trail.

Firstly, Saina has been dumped. This one has to string. It is past the deadline and it was a fairly safe Liberal seat so that is a big -1 in the Liberal column. But it basically was forced after the CBC expose. Liberal party is saying the new information CBC dug up is launching a new investigation. Hard to render judgement on this one without knowing the details of which details were available in which times, but regardless something I think had to be done, and some credit for doing it, despite the massive L.

Secondly, wtf why is is O'Toole shooting himself on his foot on guns? He is looking super shifty here, seemingly trying to maybe go beyond his own ****ing platform, then maybe walking back, and leaving everyone still totally unsure what ****ing guns he is and is not agreeing should be banned. I don't think its a top ten issue, but its the first bit of positive momentum for the Liberals all election. Worth noting that O'Toole's campaign manager is a formal gun lobbyist.

Definitely missing Butts.

That tweet will double the number of seats the PPC will win.

So you just said its not a top ten issue

As for some credit for dumping Saina. I think this hurts Justin more . Three days ago you stand behind your candidate and say you fully investigated the complaints and only 3 days later your dumping him because someone(CBC) actually did a real investigation


Though its to late to remove his name of the ballot though I am assuming the race was close and he will lose but what do you do if he still wins

Seems to be working as he is leading in the polls. Mx reminds me of a bitter ex girlfriend

Lol at shifty turning this thread into his own personal Maxine tweet reader, but I do think the points are fair. O’Toole ran trying to take the social conservative vote in the conservative primary away from Mackay, and has done one of the craziest swings to the left for the general I’ve ever seen. His platform is liberal action item after liberal action item such, and is tacking even closer to the liberals than his own campaign! From a policy perspective, there is less difference between the two parties than I can recall in an election.

This makes some strategic sense. A lot of Canadians really like most of the big actions the Liberals have taken. Heck, even lozen barely can find actual policy actions he disagrees with. But they don’t like Trudeau personally. So make the election about personality not policy by having the policy gap be tiny. The ironic part is that by doing this, you make yourself look like a flip flopping, spineless politician who says anything to get elected and has no likelihood of actually following through on promises, which is the exact criticism lozen tries to stick on Trudeau.

Yet you can not see that the bolded part is how many including the media see Justin Trudeau

All you need to look at is the Saina and Afghanistan issues the last two weeks.

You just quoted me saying that: "which is the exact criticism lozen tries to stick on Trudeau". Obviously I'm fully aware of that narrative. I think it is a pretty silly narrative (for both O'Toole and Trudeau), and that people should focus on actual policy accomplishments like the carbon tax (which O'Toole wants to copy) or guns (which O'Toole wants to keep in place) or childcare (which O'Toole wats to tweak the delivery mechanism for), as opposed to personality. But in an election being manufactured to remove policy and just focus on personality, this is PERFECT for people like you who are primarily motivated by the personality of one of the leaders.

On this file, let's remember that it was Trudeau that made the promise about guns, got it done and implemented the ban he said he would do, and now it is O'Toole who is letting down his former supporters flip flopping on his own platform. Shouldn't you be outraged?
Ultimately there is very little reason to believe that any of your core criticisms like "doesn't meet all election season promises" is going to be any less likely for O'Toole and Trudeau.

All the other candidates are boring. It's obvious O'Toole knows Liberal votes are up for grabs and is pandering to them. The debates this week would be a lot more entertaining with Mad Max.

That's a weird comparison, why do you think that?

Being a petty sore loser who burns all the bridges and creates a shitty conspiracy theory laden fringe third party whose only electoral hopes are hurting the party you once tried to lose?

Sounds like a bad ex to me.

Would you say the same thing about the NDP or Greens? The Green Party has been around since the early 80s and are barely holding on. The PPC has been around for ~2 years and is polling better than the Green party right now.

Neither of those parties formed because a whining, sniveling, sore loser failed to win the Liberal party nomination and then said **** off and tried to make their own splinter group that only works to hurt their original party in a few close elections. I'm not against 3rd dparties. I'm not even against a right wing third party that represents the more extremist fringe of the conservative movement and bleeds off votes; heck that would be good for power dynamics for the Liberals! But yes, Maxime sounds exactly like a bad ex who threw a hissy fit when they were dumped.

The irony of someone who started their own party when they got a case of the sads about their old one trying to accuse anyone else of flip flopping is hilarious.

As much as I thought Maxine was the best opponent to beat Trudeau last election he lost the leadership role. Maxine was bitter and started his own party. The Conservatives than did their best to tarnish him. As much as I was not a fan of Scheer he picked up 21 seats I do believe. IF Maxine was smart he would have waited in the wings and might be leader now. Maxine should know that O'Toole is doing what he needs to win an election. O'Toole knows that by reversing his position on the assault ban it will not cost him votes as those folks want Justin gone and even though they may disagree with him they are still going to vote for him


Yeah but the Green party is on a lifeline. It is self destructing over Palestine/Israel

Before this election was called I thought the NDP were dead as well but give credit to Jagmitt he has done an incredible job

Those are some strong adjectives to use describing a women. Rather misogynistic of you.

He was a Conservative MP when he quit the party. He easily could have had a comfortable life in the conservative party for the rest of his political career if he wanted. Instead he stood up for his values (agree with them or not) and took a huge risk and started his own party. Typically that would be considered honorable not a case of the "sads".

0% chance you are smarter than Max Bernier. He is the leader of the fastest growing political party ever in Canada. Yes, O'Toole isn't fooling anyone, it's obvious what he is doing and it might work we will see. Canada's politics are obviously different but do you think Trump received the most votes ever for President by pandering to the left?

Base on what ?
If Maxime super smart just for that ,
Trudeau must be a genius being the second youngest prime minister ever ….

Lol at shifty. “Fastest growing party ever” lol. I walked around the block yesterday and that was a thousand times more exercise than the previous day!

Im not smarter than many people including Uke but I do know he is the leader of a party going nowhere

I think I could explain Trump the first election but the last election no other than a terrible opponent and I think our politics are very similar as Trudeau won the first time as he said he would be different

One other comment on Maxine

Instead of denying Climate Change he would be better off acknowledging it but adapt a similar position as Trudeau and say I am not destroying Western Canadian jobs while China, India, Russia and the Middle East do nothing

Is this another one of those hysterical intentional misspellings, or are you really thinking his name is Maxine?

But I agree he is the leader of a party going nowhere.

No that is just me Bad spelling Maxime Uke should have been all over me for that one misgendering him

I am always impressed by your wealth of knowledge and ability to know what the future holds. Like you know the earth is doomed and going to end from over population and climate change. You also know that a polictical party that's been around for 2 years is going nowhere. Have you won the lottery yet?