Great to have you back on the program, Dr. Nutella!

Of course, slowing down our vaccination program due to your emotional reactions could be terrible to. With the massive influx of moderna, and the temporary pfizer delay, the logistics mean we can continue vaccinating full steam ahead, or delay and let the variants have more time to come in. Now I'm not a medical doctor like you, but the sense I have is that we have no reason to suspect that mixing the mRNA vaccines would be bad in any way despite not having a stage 3 trial of 30,000 people proving that definitively, so seems like a worthwhile gamble. A bit like how as time has gone on, Canada's similarly risky one shot gamble which seemed likely to be correct but wasn't proven appears to have paid off great.

Cool story bro. Zero studies mixing mrna. Zero studies mixing astra and moderna, like 3 or 4 studies of astra and pfizer. 29 people is a lot! But ik you're a good cdn and lap up anything they tell you. I'm sure it'll work out, but if you deny it is a live experiment then I have some kelp futures to sell you.

You act like canada is using science other countries don't have access to- we are not. I'm not claiming to know more than doctors at all. I'm sure it'll be fine but I personally will be avoiding the mixing. Also lol at you personally attacking me for questioning some huge human experiment!

Thanks for the meta-analysis Dr. Nutella! Just a quick note that I'm sure someone who has performed such a great lit review will be aware of this already, but the primary case for why the two mRNA vaccines are extremely likely to be interchangeable is because of an understanding of the mechanisms of how they work (i.e. more or less identically). As in, the null hypotheses is that they absolutely should be interchangeable. Yes, it would be great if we had a huge study confirming that, but right now we have a basic choice: Risk more people dying and covid spreading more by delaying second doses, or risk that the mechanistic understanding is wrong and there somehow is some difference. Your confidence that you just will not mix and match doesn't even mention the risks coming from the uneven logistics delaying vaccinations.

Getting my Moderna chaser Wednesday for my initial AZ shot, but don't see how you can find fault with someone who wants to wait and get the same shot twice. When the nuance of the messaging from the levels of government change so rapidly, people being apprehensive is completely understandable. People willing to wait a week or two to avoid mixing and matching even moreso.

While I don't agree with all that nutella has to say about this, these parts of your replies seem a little unfair. I don't know about other provinces, but as an example here in BC, the provincial health officer has made it quite clear that for those who received AZ as their first dose, it is entirely their choice whether they get AZ or an mRNA vaccine for their dose. She's been asked point black at briefings which she would recommend, and she'll give her thoughts and some pros and cons, but is very clear about it being an individual choice. The implication would seem to be that here in BC anyway, they don't foresee this choice as being an impediment to vaccinations rolling out smoothly.

The key point is that there are "risks" on both sides. While the methodological analysis strongly implies mixing mRNA vaccines is totally fine, there is a small chance it won't be quite as effective as double dosing. Conversely, a longer slower rollout due to logistical bottlenecks risks further cases and spread of covid. So risks on both sides. I'm ok with someones personal evaluation of the risks being on either side of that coin, but if you are going to only present one half of the argument you are going to get pushback.

That said, one of my criticisms of Henry has been that she over emphasizes personal choice without making the case as strongly as she can for the better option. This has been a problem since the early days of the pandemic with her waffling over the personal choice to wear a mask.

When you make it a binary choice between "your second dose might not be as effective" and "COVID might put a few people who chose not to get their first shot in the ICU", don't be surprised if the majority aren't like nutella; those risks are nowhere near similar, when making a personal decision.

Personally, i cannot wait to join Alpha Flight:



Ha-YAAAA! bitches.

While it is unfortunate that a year in people are still acting purely selfishly and not trying to do what is best for the community, the same argument is true purely individually. First doses are not as effective as second doses. When you delay getting a second dose because you are picking and choosing the vaccine you want, you risk harming yourself from covid as well as your friends and family. As in, we don't have to worry about larger societal concerns to observe that delaying has a risk. So you have to take that risk and compare it to the risk that the null hypotheses that mRNA vaccines with the same mechanics can be interchanged is actually false.

How abt if I'm not delaying my second dose at all and getting it tomorrow. I expect future boosters to be mrna, but for now I will stick to the same one I got first. You were quite the prick in your replies which is par for the course in a politics forum

July 5th is the date I've been waiting for, vaccinated citizens and residents will not have to quarantine upon arrival to canada

Though you still will need a PCR test before you fly home as well upon arrival and need to upload your vaccine info to the government app and carry proof of vaccination and kids under 12 are exempt if parents are fully vaccinated but the kids will have to quarantine for two weeks. Even though we know the delta variant can be spread by kids.
Also you can only be fully vaccinated by vaccines approved in Canada.

As long as I can avoid that hotel extortion scheme I'm good

If its available with no delay then yes obviously get the same one as the original, which has been the default across Canada. You'll notice I ignored your comments ITT until you started talking about Toronto which had a logistical shortfall of pfizer and so was the first (at least first in the news that I saw) to take up the NACI on allowing mix and match so as to not slow down the vaccine rollout. Looking at the massive influx of Moderna, it seems likely that this will be a good idea in many places even if your specific context didn't need it.

Bobo and I were talking earlier about the degree to which 1st dose rates would continue to drop or not. Check out the graph at the bottom here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ne22-1.6075171

Definitely shows a plateauing (which is what we want) just under 10k/day vs continuing to drop, so hope we can get those first dose numbers slowly up to over 80.

Also worth noting for the nutella conversation:

Another article quoting experts talking about how unfounded worries about mixing the effectively identical pfizer and moderna can lead to delays
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pfize...nada-1.6075765

Hundreds of unmarked graves found at former residential school in saskatchewan

https://www.680news.com/2021/06/23/h...-saskatchewan/

Baffles me how an article still gets it wrong by saying Mass Grave in Kamloops. No they were unmarked graves.
Sadly we will see more of these unmarked graves located. I have no clue what the right answer is but cancelling Canada Day isn't doing much.
Alberta has put up 9 million to locate any unmarked graves and I have no clue if that is the right amount. Sad part of our history .

Though if we support defacing statues I had no sympathy for the two churches burnt down

751 found.

Though as a country what do we do? Even if we dug them up we have no records to compare them to. Also will the Tribes want them dug up.

If Catholics in Canada stopped putting $$ in the collection plate that would help.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...-day-1.6080326


As much as I agree that Trudeau and Bennet have done nothing for Indigenous people I fathom to understand how just a text that says "Pension" is racist. I am sure she would send it to any MP.

Context matters here. She is speaking about indigenous issues admit revelation of a national atrocity on indigenous issues as an indigenous person, to chalk all of that up as nothing but for pension benefits is a pretty low ****ing needle IMO. God cabinet ****ing abhors that woman.

“Pension?” Is such a callow, unimaginative, milksop Twitter put down that serves to show how intellectually vacuous Bennett is, rather than racist (not to mention a prime exhibit of a boomer trying to troll). She was a terrible MP, but luckily for her, she is nowhere near the worst Minister we currently have - that’s Jordan with Sajann running a close second.

I just can not see how that word can be labelled as racist . Yeah she may be trolling her and its in bad taste. Bottom line Rayborn doesn't want an election as she will lose her seat and pension. I would put Bennent and Sajaan as the worst. Both with files they really have done nothing on. Both had reports going back 6 years on what needed to be fixed yet did nothing Sajaan is untouchable as he is the top fund raiser in the Liberals

Aghh the good ole days when Liberals demanded a minister be removed for spending $16 on a glass of OJ

You and I might not see that word as racist, but speaking personally, a lot of what is labelled about as racist or bigoted gets a shrug from me: so I’m not an ideal arbiter. I think we as a society now err on the side of caution when it comes to determining offense - and that’s probably better than how it was previously.

I’d just suggest timing your pathetic trolls for a time other than when an indigenous person is talking about a national tragedy committed against indigenous peoples. Like I don’t think we need to have an existential debate about what racism really is to recognize that this isn’t appropriate.