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06-15-2021 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
I don't see how Russia or China wins a court case against Canada for shipping rights within the boundaries of our nation. I mean, I can see it for maybe the way upper passage around the northern islands, but that's likely to still be frozen over for the next 20 years or more. But for the lower passage forget it.
It'd be analogous to us trying to claim part of the Kara Sea or soemthing.
Well i am talking about over the next 20 years or so.

And that is because, again, the way the UN (World Court) in large part looks at it as these new areas open up is 'who has been there', 'who has been defending it', 'who has been utilizing it'.

Thus why China is so busy trying to establish their lanes and spend money in the area. A 20 year track record of doing so will be a powerful argument if we do not counter.

And while certain areas of our claims now are clear, some are still quite disputed, especially with the US. Us just really believing our claims are superior might not win the politics of this.
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06-15-2021 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
That didn't answer the question of whether you agree with O'Toole's quote.

Yes I do
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06-15-2021 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
It is amazing. Nevertheless, I'm becoming extremely worried by plummeting first dose rates.
I think it all comes down to why they're plummeting. If it's simply a matter of a shift in focus, that's to be expected. But of course if it's because uptake is waning, that's a problem.

I've been tracking % vaccinated here in BC, and last week it seems the first dose number was increasing at a steady 0.4% each day all week, while second doses was in the range of 1.0-1.4%. That's a pretty huge shift from previous weeks, but I'm hoping it was just a shift, since the first dose number was stable throughout. If it holds steady, we should be at 80% of 12+ with a first dose by the end of the month.
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06-15-2021 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Yes I do
Ok. But doesn't that directly contradict your view that Trudeau should have overridden the Alberta Health Authority?
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06-15-2021 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Ok. But doesn't that directly contradict your view that Trudeau should have overridden the Alberta Health Authority?
In the same way Trudeau overruled Saskatchewan and BC on Climate change this was a National Crisis so I am ok with that.

Kenney can have a referendum on anything the reality is nothing is going to change

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06-15-2021 , 04:32 PM
Which issue are you talking about where Trudeau overruled BC on Climate Change?
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06-15-2021 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I think it all comes down to why they're plummeting. If it's simply a matter of a shift in focus, that's to be expected. But of course if it's because uptake is waning, that's a problem.

I've been tracking % vaccinated here in BC, and last week it seems the first dose number was increasing at a steady 0.4% each day all week, while second doses was in the range of 1.0-1.4%. That's a pretty huge shift from previous weeks, but I'm hoping it was just a shift, since the first dose number was stable throughout. If it holds steady, we should be at 80% of 12+ with a first dose by the end of the month.
I failed to find the graph, but I thought I saw a graph that first dose was dropping steadily over the last two weeks, no?

BTW, a new poll has come out of BC adults that showed the vaccine hesitancy dropping from 23% to 10% over the last two months. Encouraging.
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06-15-2021 , 04:34 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to fear monger the American public.

The US has a nuclear umbrella which is capable of destroying the entire planet and we are currently rebuilding/refurbishing it. The idea that China or Russia are a military threat is about as plausible as a grown man being afraid of getting beaten up by a toddler in a fist fight.

What China and Russia do understand is that the US's ability to enforce it's imperial system on the globe is waning. Of course our avaricious and paranoiac ruling classes see this as a "threat" and then project that out to the rest of the populace.
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06-15-2021 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I think it all comes down to why they're plummeting. If it's simply a matter of a shift in focus, that's to be expected. But of course if it's because uptake is waning, that's a problem.

I've been tracking % vaccinated here in BC, and last week it seems the first dose number was increasing at a steady 0.4% each day all week, while second doses was in the range of 1.0-1.4%. That's a pretty huge shift from previous weeks, but I'm hoping it was just a shift, since the first dose number was stable throughout. If it holds steady, we should be at 80% of 12+ with a first dose by the end of the month.
Yeah I am a bit concerned if Alberta hits its 70% goal. I know 3 people were they and their families are not getting it or have not yet and one is a family member as well a Tru-Anon to boot.

I am booked for dose # 2 Saturday of the Pfizer. Ill have the AZ /Pfizer mix in me
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06-15-2021 , 04:45 PM
Wanted a second shot of AZ, but that's just a mild case of OCD... AZ/Moderna better be like peanut butter and chocolate, rather than Skittles and M&Ms. Getting it on the 23rd, so will miss the Canada Day orgy for a second straight year.
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06-15-2021 , 04:46 PM
And looking at the stats vs the variants, I wish I'd done some vaccine shopping
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06-15-2021 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to fear monger the American public.

The US has a nuclear umbrella which is capable of destroying the entire planet and we are currently rebuilding/refurbishing it. The idea that China or Russia are a military threat is about as plausible as a grown man being afraid of getting beaten up by a toddler in a fist fight.

What China and Russia do understand is that the US's ability to enforce it's imperial system on the globe is waning. Of course our avaricious and paranoiac ruling classes see this as a "threat" and then project that out to the rest of the populace.
Not sure if this is directed at my posts but seeing China and Russia mentioned makes me think it might be.

If so, it entirely misses the point.

I don't expect either CHina or Russia would move into the region guns a blazing. That is not how these disputes begin nor typically end. What tends to happen is they just move in and start setting up bases and doing other things to assert their claim and that it is their territory.

It then is up to Canada to respond and defend their claim and if they do not then the claim is typically waved. The squatters right is successful/

So the question is could and would Canada try to remove the incursion or squatter trying to stake a claim.


We had an instance of this in recent times between Argentina and the UK which lead to the Falklands War.

Argentina and the UK were embroiled over territory dispute claims and the Argentinians decided to make a move to seize physical possession. The UK responded by sinking one of their war ships and landing forces to fight, arrest and remove their forces.

While this dispute has never been settled, the UK establishing they have/can and will defend it is a big plank of their claim.

So again, I don't expect a war between Canada and either Russia or China, but I would not be shocked if either of them simply claimed and squatted on the areas they claim and put Canada to the question 'We are here, what are you going to do about it?'
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06-15-2021 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Which issue are you talking about where Trudeau overruled BC on Climate Change?
My bad overruled Saskatchewan & Alberta
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06-15-2021 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BrookTrout
Wanted a second shot of AZ, but that's just a mild case of OCD... AZ/Moderna better be like peanut butter and chocolate, rather than Skittles and M&Ms. Getting it on the 23rd, so will miss the Canada Day orgy for a second straight year.
my mom is doing that debate right now, AZ first not sure for second. I think she booked both appointments actually
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06-15-2021 , 08:37 PM
I went back and forth, settling with az for my 2nd. The studies keep showing mrna after az works, but those studies are lolsample size + brand new. Not in a gambling mood these days

Az seems to work just fine against the gamma variant, which is where I'm heading in 3 months- right into the heart of the covid beast
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06-15-2021 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I failed to find the graph, but I thought I saw a graph that first dose was dropping steadily over the last two weeks, no?
I've only been tracking it loosely for the couple of weeks, and just based on the increase in % each day, which is rather imprecise. But the impression I've gotten is that a couple of weeks ago, it took a sharp drop as they ramped up second shots, and then has been somewhat steady, or in a slow decline, ever since. I see it's only up 0.3% today.

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Originally Posted by uke_master
BTW, a new poll has come out of BC adults that showed the vaccine hesitancy dropping from 23% to 10% over the last two months. Encouraging.
Awesome.

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Originally Posted by lozen
Yeah I am a bit concerned if Alberta hits its 70% goal.
?

They already have, and it was pretty apparent that was inevitable when the number was 69.8% on Friday.

The thing is, that hopefully is nothing close to an end goal, as 70% of 12+ is less than 60% of all Albertans.
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06-16-2021 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

They already have, and it was pretty apparent that was inevitable when the number was 69.8% on Friday.

The thing is, that hopefully is nothing close to an end goal, as 70% of 12+ is less than 60% of all Albertans.
Nope they are at 69% and yes the fact that we may stall at 70% is concerning as well. Number is moving slowly as well.

Though I will have my second dose Saturday and after a few weeks will be feel safer

Hopefully the federal government announces a plan for international travel and a mandated fully vaccinated green light and those that are not can not

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06-16-2021 , 12:15 PM
Watching the Putin press conference live and he is talking about how he engaged Biden on possible cooperation on some Arctic claims and sea routes as he says Alaska and a Russian town share a mutual border and thus they have some common interests in that area.

This was in response to some areas of common interest and potential cooperation between the nations.

Pretty much flies in the face of anyone in this thread mocking the very idea of Canada engaging in discussions with Russia or China or any other nation with overlapping interests.

Imagine how terrible a policy that would be for us to take an ideological stance of 'sitting out' while others engage and cut their mutual support deals?

I believe that if Canada takes it eye off this ball the cost to us in the future will be immense.
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06-16-2021 , 12:55 PM
Once the world sets its sights on our fresh water and arctic we are straight fcked /end convo
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06-16-2021 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Once the world sets its sights on our fresh water and arctic we are straight fcked /end convo

Yup and give it a few more weeks and the only top military person left will be the defense minister.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7948266/c...golfing-vance/



Pretty sad when the only reason the defense minister still has a job is his fundraising capabilities
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06-16-2021 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Yup and give it a few more weeks and the only top military person left will be the defense minister.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7948266/c...golfing-vance/



Pretty sad when the only reason the defense minister still has a job is his fundraising capabilities
Wow the Green Party survived the leadership challenge. Not a good start for her or the party
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06-16-2021 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Once the world sets its sights on our fresh water and arctic we are straight fcked /end convo
Yup.

I purposely shied away from any 'risk' type comments as you always have a segment of people who think simply considering some risk exists is the same as saying it is likely. Some people hate speculating in those areas and think it is all just a waste of time (as if all forum posting is not).

But the risk factors are there with any of our neighbouring giants, that if they have legitimate national security issues due to water insecurity, that if Canada is not aligned with partners who may support them, we may be seen as ripe for the plucking.

And that does not necessarily mean direct military conflicts but more squatting on our claimed areas, saying they are in dispute and then basically telling us to 'make them leave'.

China imo is one you can look to who already embraces this method of 'if you cannot stop us... then we win any claim' which certainly is not exclusive to them.
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06-16-2021 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Nope they are at 69% and yes the fact that we may stall at 70% is concerning as well. Number is moving slowly as well.

Though I will have my second dose Saturday and after a few weeks will be feel safer

Hopefully the federal government announces a plan for international travel and a mandated fully vaccinated green light and those that are not can not
CTV disagrees; not sure where they're getting their information from. They got an update yesterday, whereas the Alberta government site says it's only current through June 14.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...hots-1.5247509

Either way, if they weren't at 70% already, I think they'd have to be by now. Hopefully the number keeps pushing upwards, even if it's slow.
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06-16-2021 , 05:29 PM
Look at the silver lining: it's at least 1% higher than 70 if we include people who've already gotten COVID.
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06-17-2021 , 04:36 AM
Well, I think I've sorted out the difference in Alberta vaccination numbers.

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An Important Change to Alberta's Population Data

Across the COVID19Tracker.ca website, we have always used official population estimates from Statistics Canada for calculations. This consistent approach allows for accurate, up-to-date data that can be compared between provinces. However, the province of Alberta does not use Statistics Canada population data in their vaccine calculations and instead relies on internal estimates and projections.

Alberta's internal estimates are larger than the most recent population estimates available from Statistics Canada. This means that some of our metrics, such as "% of people 12+ in Alberta", have been higher than what was shared by the Alberta government.


Starting June 13th, we've changed population values used to calculate Alberta's eligible (12+) population percentage to match the percentage published by the province of Alberta. While this means that values will now match those posted by Alberta, it also means that any comparisons between provinces using eligible (12+) population values must be performed with caution. Provincial population estimates used for Alberta are from a different source and from a different date than other provinces. Data for all other provinces will continue to be from Statistics Canada's latest population estimates.
https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=AB

So if I read that correctly, Alberta is calculating their vaccination % as a % of estimated current population, while everyone else is using % of the most recent Stats Can population numbers. Not a massive difference, but enough to account for a difference of a percent or two.
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