He left the country and has not returned. I really do not see the issue. If you have a problem with this than you should have a serious issue with all the folks that are coming back from India after visiting relatives or other countries.

Sorry thought if people just made it bigger that would work but i see it just gets blurry.

Here is the link.

And my point is that it is delusional to assume stopping pipelines will mean AB will stop producing. It won't.

As long as their is a market to sell into they will sell it even if the gov't has to subsidize it.

So the only way to get superior results re Climate Change is a pipeline.

The pipeline gets rid of most transportation related CO2.

If in the future there is no Oil market then production stops either way. So pipelines are only a net positive in terms of better outcomes for climate and CO2 if you believe Oil will have market.

Yeah, him potentially killing foreigners vs. people here doesn't change things.

And yeah, I do have a problem with the people jetting off to India and back.

The difference in this case is getting vaccinated? I'm not going to change your mind on non-essential travel here, you're firm in your views. Travel insurance (and COVID insurance) even still applies for travel at this time when its listed as 'avoid non-essential travel' (it only doesn't apply on avoid all travel level warnings).

Theres no queue jumping involved. The vaccine is open for all in the US and there are excess, unfilled appointments with plenty of availability. Its a jab that's going into an arm thats otherwise sitting unused. Alberta has done their bookings on 'honour system' and I would never queue jump there denying an essential worker or someone who would need the shot more than me the opportunity to get it.

I'm literally zero risk of bringing anything back to Canada and I'm following any quarantine rules or guidelines required, I'm staying away until things re-open.

I'm just trying to offer some balance - I'm clearly not going to convince you guys that its appropriate, justifiable, or even practical/feasible (for most people). Every Canadian that gets vaccinated (no matter where) is a win for Canada and a step closer to being able to re-open & there ARE other options.

Sometimes I've wondered if I'm the only one who sees it this way; I agree 100%.

We are slowly becoming less dependent on oil, but it's going to be a long time until we reduce the use dramatically, and I don't know that it ever gets to zero.

Although I'll add that one topic I don't fully understand is the environmental cost of getting oil from tar sands versus other reserves, and how much of each type of reserves there are in the world. If our oil is extracted at a far greater environmental impact, and there are ample supplies of oil available with less impact, then the discussion should be had about reducing or shutting down our tar sands oil production. But until there's a willingness to go there, pipelines only make sense to me.

Is this actually what you mean, and if so, what makes you say this? I've always assumed it to be the opposite, but that's just based on what I think makes sense rather than any factual studies I can recall.

Well, I think most of the true animosity comes from Alberta, and often centers around oil and paternalistic attitudes - but I'd feel silly trying to tell an Albertan (as I assume you are?) about Albertan issues. Here in BC, I don't think it's so much seeing the east as an enemy as it is a resentment about a perception that a "centre of the universe" attitude emanates from the east. And of course QC probably draws ire from all the west due to the money that goes to QC, and separatism referendums.

This seems more than a little overstated. If what he did was within each countries' rules, I don't have a big issue with it, and I think any "jumping the line" talk is pretty silly. If he had gone to a country that was behind on vaccinations and bought his way to the front of the line, I'd agree. Getting vaccinations in a country where appointments are going unfilled sounds like a benefit to everyone.

Just because it is legal and your are able to purchase insurance doesn't make it a terrible, terrible idea to be globetrotting through three countries for non-essential reasons. You still violate the advise for both countries. That's great - for you - that you got Vaccinated. And it might not affect Canada as you're waiting. But you still potentially brought the variants in alberta to atlanta or to texas or to mexico or back to the US.

The rest of us haven't left out communities for a ****ing year. My colleague - an American citizen working in Canada - didn't go back to the US for her sisters wedding because it just simply isn't appropriate to be doing that kind of for pleasure travel. And while everyone else is sacrificing your going on vacation in Mexico? gtfo.

Lol @flaming this guy for traveling to get vaccinated

except, it doesn’t sound like that is remotely the end of the story. We’re talking about four completely different jurisdictions, one presumably just a pure vacation in Peurto Vallarta. I’m in support of Windsor people being able to drive across the border to get vaccines etc, but this isn’t that.

Sure would be nice to have a vacation in the middle of a pandemic. And that they got vaccinated while down there doesn’t really change how irresponsible this is.

Lol at grilling a guy for not breaking any laws and following guildlines and using this story. Wow she missed a wedding, what kind of person has a wedding during a global pandemic?

false. Canada Has a travel advisory against non essential travel to both the United States and Mexico. **** in BC we aren’t even supposed to leave our health authority for non essential travel. He clearly and egregiously violated guidelines.

I didn't feel any bit of contempt while reading his story. I haven't been to my place in rio in almost a year and a half, but that is my choice. I keep pushing the date back, was supposed to leave this past monday. Again that is my choice

You seem tilted af

He's exactly the type of fanatic that Bernier tweet was referring to. Darkmemoria broke no laws, the worst thing he did was travel under a travel advisory which people have been doing since forever. It's sad that as afiak a young healthy person (uke) hasn't even left the island they live on to travel within the province for over a year, when that was perfectly fine to do and even encouraged until recently. It's about virtue signaling and government power/control for these people, the same as the climate change fanatics.

Sadly on Pain killers for an abscess tooth meant Pipelines are by far safer than trains and trucks. Though I do support standards on the pipelines. It was weird that the cost of Trans Mountain went up as the government increased the standards on the pipeline for safety.

Was watching the news last night and Line 5 is over 75 years old? Gretchen kind of does have a point on this one. Though there is the other issue if you can not replace aging pipelines your gonna have spills

Yes other forms of oil extraction have less Co2 impact but my point remains, even if Canada has to massively subsidize our industry to keep it competitive enough to extract, they will.

Another thing to consider is that it has been shown that large US other Oil interests have been, for decades behind a major part of the push to demonize Canadian oil.

Just as Saudi and Opec hated all the US shale coming on stream and adding to capacity these groups regionally, based on where they play, would love to see Canada take their oil off stream.

They are fueling activism as a weapon against shale and tar sands and basically any oil in a region they do not have meaningful market share.


(edit, i was about to use the term 'useful idiots' for the activists but there beliefs and actions are not necessarily wrong even if they are being manipulated. "Useful foils' is probably a better term.)

Thank you? I'm glad you decided to follow the guidelines put in place to try and curb a global pandemic that has killed millions. I did too. Unfortunately, not everyone did.

Maybe it was an Alberta thing - that would explain a lot - but no, non-essential travel was not "perfectly fine" and absolutely not "encouraged". In BC relatively recently they made it a public health order which means specific fines for non-essential travel across health authorities, but the guidelines were against this from the beginning.

And certainly ****ing flying to vacation in Mexico is out of the question inappropriate.

Great news!! Justin Trudeau was cleared of all conflict of interest allegations by the ethics commissioner for the WE "scandal". The conservatives tried SO hard to find some actual fire somewhere and pent months investigating (although it was purely showmanship if you ever tuned in to listen), but never managed to land any of those punches. And now Trudeau is cleared as well. Ok, ok, to be fair, a slight bruise given the wrist slap for the already departed former minister, but for any electoral perspective, this is great.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-...neau-1.6024982

And of course the tremendous vaccination procurement program that has turned us into a world leader is roaring full steam to get us all vaccinated months ahead of schedule. Approval in the polls is up. Call the election!

Doesn't mean he wasn't guilty he just escaped a Ethics violation. Lets be honest ethics violations have zero consequences to them. The only true leader who wants Ethics violations to have consequences is Erin O'Toole.

No were going to get a single dose in everyone not two doses which is still an accomplishment and JT deserves credit for that but the reason were in such a sad state is because we did not have any vaccination production in Canada and travel restrictions holes you could drive a truck threw. World leader??

Yeah call an election in the middle of a pandemic is just irresponsible. Reality is he could call an election and the results would be the same a minority government. The only seats I see up for grab are NDP seats.
As well he will lose the popular vote

Oh, I should give the update.

Got Pfizer vaccine around 3.30pm yesterday.

Did not even feel the needle go in.

Had no immediate impact or effect that I noticed.

By the time I walked home (20 minutes) i found myself feeling sleepy (this is a reported side effect).

Instead of napping, I decided to go for a long walk (1.5 hours) along the waterfront in the nice bright sun.

Got home, felt fully refreshed.

Woke up this morning and my arm, feels like i was punched by a friend (hard but not crazy hard) and you have that mild nagging ache after.

Other than that no ill effects.

If in subsequent days I feel anything more I will report back.

The point is that after months and months of extensive "investigations", the Conservatives came up with nothing. The ethics commissioner has come up with nothing. Lozen has come up with nothing. That's because as inconvenient as it is for conservative narratives, there is precisely zero evidence that justin trudeau actually drove the WE agreement because of connections between the family and the charity. If he had done that, it would have been bad. But there is no evidence to suggest he did. I agree with JT and thought his apology was appropriate that even when there isn't a conflict of interest sometimes you should still not act due to the appearance of a conflict of interest, just to maximize political faith in the process.

That we are in the middle of a pandemic is undoubtably why Trudeau has delayed as long as he has. Actual voting day clearly won't be immediately, but gearing up for say an august or sept election should be good. Definitely by the end of the year unless they are just giving it away.

Let me ask you this Do you think he will get a majority government? Do you think he wins the popular vote?

Another example of how the border just is not closed

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/...?ocid=msedgdhp

It's very hard to win the popular vote because while "not conservative" is a massive popular vote win, the divisions between liberals and ndp and greens split the vote so much. So a minority win and a majority win for liberals are the two most likely.

For me it comes down, mostly, to the climate plans. The conservatives is an embarassing joke, a plan written far more for the climate denying base who won't even accept that climate change exists in the party platform than it is written for actually helping anyone. The NDP plan is about as good as the Liberals, but has a few relative weaknesses and they don't come to power anyways. However the Liberals have already made big, significant strides forward and promise a lot more in this area. They deserve a strong mandate so Canada can be a true world leader on this.

I had no idea we're in a sad state - care to elaborate?

Whatever you'd like to call us, we're in the top 10 of countries with over 1 million people, in terms of first doses, so we seem to be doing OK. There are two reasons for that:

First, our second dose delay. We aren't the only country doing it, but it's certainly causing us to lag in full vaccinations like few others - I think we're around #50-60 in that stat, well behind the leaders. However, I'm not all that concerned, as it's looking like we'll start closing that gap quickly beginning in June.

And the other reason is that we're a rich country with a strong public health system - the accomplishment is primarily in having a willingness to spend whatever it takes to get us here, and then get out of the way and let our health officials do their job. The current government deserves no special credit for our health system, just like they deserve no special blame for lack of vaccine production.

Let me be clear as well I consider JT's role as Federal leader in dealing with the pandemic a failure. Weather its closing the border, setting federal directives for closures. I expected him to handle it like climate change a federal role dictating what all provinces do. If that required the Emergencies act than so be it



As for the sad state watching global tonight 3.5% fully vaccinated while the US is at 50%. Many say that is not fair we shouldn't compare ourselves to the USA but we had no problems doing that when they had the worst infection rates. Also they can now not wear masks and getting back to normal
I still have yet to hear a concrete plan that if this happens again we will be prepared in the way of PPE, Vaccines etc
You did leave out my point that he deserves credit for the vaccines that have been rolled out. As well I have said many times I do not think the conservatives would have done any better on vaccines or taking a federal roll in lockdowns