So are you saying Katie Telford will be sacrificed now? You think the Defence minister would be the ideal choice in a cabinet shuffle

I am not sure if this is allowed but can you make a cabinet minister someone whom is not a MP? Mark Carney Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland Defense Minister

I think based on my back of the envelope epidemiology that when we get to 50+% we're going to see cases start dropping pretty quickly. That seems to be the trend elsewhere.

You theoretically can, but it's very rare. I think even the PM doesn't have to be an MP and that even happened once. I know it happened with Don Getty in Alberta.

goodness no, no chance at all Telford is sacrificed for this. Don’t listen to conservatives braying so much, their just trying to score points.

Don't you think the defence minister deserves to lose his post over this?

Nice to See Rona Ambrose's bill pass. At least one party takes sexual assault serious

https://globalnews.ca/news/7841024/j...ng-law-senate/

I’m sorry, I think I’ve indicated why earlier ITT, but I’m not comfortable engaging with you on partisan politicking about sexual assault

Each day Fri-Sun this week lower than last Fri-Sun in Alberta, so hopefully things are turning around there at last.

I sometimes think the messenger doesn't help either in getting reluctant folks vaccinated

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...?ocid=msedgdhp

If you give folks some home about travelling, not wearing a mask I think more folks will jump on board for the vaccine

Well I, for one, accept our new physician overlords

We're at single doses only of vaccines that even with two doses are only 90% effective. And we're still at near peak pandemic numbers, we have hospital systems that are delaying nonessential surgeries still. It seems quite reasonable to say that right now vaccinated people should still social distance and where masks when this isn't possible to. If you are in the UK, where second doses are common and has a much smaller case rate right now, then that calculus changes. So I don't think Canadian officials are making a mistake here at all. I'm quite confident as the situation improves that the rules will change.

This thread gave me a lot of hope. We're bad but our number do seem to be trending downward as in BC.

Ehh BC is fine.



Last year March 31 we peeked and immediately plummeted with better weather. Same is happening this year but with the more virulent variants it took until mid April to turn that corner.

All the Provinces have turned that corner now outside Manitoba. They are still climbing in an ugly way.

So vaccine or not, we are headed to better results.

3rd "quarantine" hotel deals with covid outbreak

https://www.680news.com/2021/05/11/3...d-19-outbreak/

I'm a Canadian based out of AB and with the climbing cases and poor handling from the AB government (overall bad messaging & communication, half measures based on rural voting base leading to longer restrictions and higher case counts, general poor leadership), I chose to to leave mid April with my partner to get both my shots in the US (first in Arizona, second ended up being in in Texas).

Smooth sailing in both States (Pfizer) and I spaced them out exactly 21 days apart. Spent the 20 days in-between down in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico and feeling really good about our decision. For my SO she realized how great it is to be able to work remotely, and we feel super relieved to now have our second shot on the manufacturer's recommended timeline, and we now have plans to head back to Vallarta again to ride things out until cases improve and things start to reopen (mid June seems possible?).

Good news is that since its been opened up to everyone eligible I have plenty of friends who are now getting or will soon get their first dose in AB (which I'll be honest is ~2-3 weeks ahead of the timeline that I thought it would open up for all ages, figured we'd be more like Ontario which is only starting on 40+ people at this point).

I also don't have any problem with Canada's procurement of vaccines timeline, and I think that they're going to be getting 2nd jabs in arms by July in most provinces either; I just made a decision that I thought would be best for myself and my SO and took a calculated risk and we are much happier than any of our friends back in AB at the moment. Us getting vaccinated elsewhere opens up shots for others back home and quite frankly being out of the country greatly reduces our interest and care for the toxic news cycle around the pandemic back home.

In the case that things start to re-open and I have to return home worst case I'll have to do hotel quarantine in AB (I did allocate for that in my original plan), but hoping that at some point rules relax for the fully inoculated (and if that does happen I'd strongly be encouraging many people in Canada who have their first shot to take a little 2 week trip down to the US and get their second shot so that they'd have it closer to the manufacturer's recommended window).

Hold on you went from Alberta to Arizona to Mexico to Texas and then maybe back to Mexico again before back to Alberta despite being able to work from home? This seems like the epitome of nonessential travel. Did you leave out something from this thread because this seems terrible.

I got (fully) vaccinated in the process and I'm not returning to Canada until things settle down case wise and there are some signs of re-opening plans. Non-essential travel (via air out) is not banned - nothing prevents you from leaving, and if you return there is still mandatory hotel quarantine + finishing the 14 days at home.

The politicians can say "now is not the time for travel" all they want but I'm now in a better situation than if I had stayed home in the highest cases per capita region in North America. Cases are way down in the US and the area of Mexico I travelled to has super low cases as well.

I can see how your initial view on this would be "this is terrible" but getting vaccinated abroad in many states is a straightforward process with plenty of availability and your choice of shot, I'm also freeing up doses for other Canadians, and I'm zero risk of further spreading the pandemic within Canada (fully vaccinated + I'll comply with whatever quarantine processes are in place when I eventually return).

Also overall experts agree - every Canadian vaccinated is an advantage for Canada overall: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...ovid-1.6016241 Truthfully I also think that the Canadian government could never publicly back this idea because it would be an embarrassment and an easy attack angle for political opposition as well; but there are a couple of provinces looking to make cross-border arrangements to get some of the population vaccinated over the (land) border.

I get vaccinated today in Vancouver. Pfizer or Moderna which makes me happy as I think those are the best two in terms of dealing with variants and having less incidents of bad side effects.

This is why I always think it is so shortsighted for people to fight against Pipelines, thinking they are doing so to protect the environment.

This oil is coming up and getting to market one way or the other as long as their demand for oil. And that is not ending any time soon.

So the only real thing being impacted is 'how it gets to market' and right now trucking it is the worst in terms of CO2 emissions.

Pipelines would greatly reduce CO2 emissions.

You might want to provide a link to that instead as hard to read.

Trucking and Train are by far safer but I think many want oil production to end immediately in Alberta/Saskatchewan and that will solve the climate crisis.
Reality is no new pipelines will be built under the current government. I still will be shocked if Trans Mountain is completed

Personally I wish the Michigan Governor is successful in shutting down line 5 as Quebec and Ontario will be screwed. Though the pipeline is on borrowed time .

I could pick so many holes in JT's climate strategy ......

I really wonder why for so many in the west the people in Ontario are Quebec are somehow they enemy? Like as if they're somehow not just as Canadian as westerners.

See I do not see either as an enemy just as I do not see BC as an enemy. I just think it may allow them to see the value of a safe pipeline. Also that some of the policies their politicians support effect the livelihoods of people in other provinces. When I see a car manufacturing plant close I feel sympathy for those workers.

Though there is no question we are a divided country

To be clear, Canada has travel advisories to avoid nonessential travel to both the US and to Mexico. I think globe trotting around multiple vacation spots and cities in the US is just grossly inappropriate in the middle of the pandemic. For instance, my new niece in Vancouver has never seen me or her grandparents on Vancouver Island because that is ****ing non essential travel and yet you are flying to Mexico? **** man.

On happier news, I just became eligible in BC (36) and am booked for May 21st...awesome!

Yeah, ONE guy in Korea caused an outbreak that infected over 5600 people and led to ~60 deaths, and here we have mr. world traveler just cavalierly wandering into former hotspots in both Texas and Arizona, not to mention Mexico. And he jumps the vaccine line to boot. Mind boggling.