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05-06-2021 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I know very little about NB tbh, so hard to comment, but this is vintage neo-liberal austerity and makes me pretty hesitant.
Newfoundland and New Brunswick are different places.
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05-06-2021 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Oh no...wait....you didn't mean that? You meant that because a fixed number of millennials signed up that some how disputed my worst-in-Canada stat about anti-vaxxer rates in Alberta? What a fail.
Lol, you posted a quote from a random poll without a link. Do you ever get tired of being wrong, about everything?
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05-06-2021 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Lol, you posted a quote from a random poll without a link. Do you ever get tired of being wrong, about everything?
Just lol. It takes literally two seconds to copy and paste the quote into google and get the CBC article. Not that you need that to realize just how - OBVIOUSLY - quoting a fixed number of people registering doesn't disprove, at all, the poll about Alberta's high anti-vaxxer rates. There can be lots of anti-vaxxers while still having 100k Albertans who want to register for the vaccine on the first day!
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05-06-2021 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Newfoundland and New Brunswick are different places.
Ok everyone, this is a big moment. Shifty has finally discovered an actual typo in something I've said. After all that trying, after all that failing, he's finally won something.

Lozen, you are closest, can you bake him a cookie?
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05-06-2021 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Just lol. It takes literally two seconds to copy and paste the quote into google and get the CBC article. Not that you need that to realize just how - OBVIOUSLY - quoting a fixed number of people registering doesn't disprove, at all, the poll about Alberta's high anti-vaxxer rates. There can be lots of anti-vaxxers while still having 100k Albertans who want to register for the vaccine on the first day!
I understand you don't know the different provinces of the country you live in. But typically when YOU are trying to paint an entire province of 4+million people with a certain brush using a poll YOU should provide a link to the poll, because how it was conducted matters.
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05-06-2021 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Ok everyone, this is a big moment. Shifty has finally discovered an actual typo in something I've said. After all that trying, after all that failing, he's finally won something.

Lozen, you are closest, can you bake him a cookie?
This is just embarrassing and you should feel shame for being so childish as a grown man. You got 2 provinces mixed up in the country you live in, own up to it. Don't be childish.
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05-06-2021 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86

Shutting down businesses and locking down young, healthy, vaccinated people that have been following the rules for 14+ months is a complete tragedy. The fact that 2 weeks to flatten the curve has turned into this is rediculous and any politician/"expert" that had anything to do with it should lose their job.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/h...-walensky.html

“It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get Covid-19. The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence.”

The agency was responding in part to criticism from scientists who noted that current research was far from sufficient to claim that vaccinated people cannot spread the virus.”

Seem you are very lucky that people accept the possibility of being wrong and so not condemn to lose their job , contrary to your suggestion ....

Because The amount of mistakes you make in comments , your very lucky to still have a job tho ....
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05-07-2021 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
I understand you don't know the different provinces of the country you live in. But typically when YOU are trying to paint an entire province of 4+million people with a certain brush using a poll YOU should provide a link to the poll, because how it was conducted matters.
Lol. I'm so sorry I only directly quoted the article and you couldn't figure out how to copy and paste that quote into google if you really want the original CBC article. And I'm very sorry your province has a much higher rate of anti-vaxxers than the national average and it has upset you that I quoted this poll. And most of all I'm terribly sorry that you whiffed on basic logic by trying to rebut the quoted poll by loltastically linking to the 100k signups as if that disputed the poll in the slightest. But thinking about it, not one of those things is on me!

Don't worry though buddy, you managed to score big! I swapped NL and NB! Just keep that victory lap going and going and going and going because you finally figured out one thing I actually said that was wrong!
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05-07-2021 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Let's unpack this a bit. I'll agree that the Alberta NDP is - a bit - to the right of the federal NDP. However, it still seems wildly inconsistent to be drawing from completely opposite ends of the spectrum, especially because your rationale seems so focused not on policy but on personality, how someone looks and how someone talks. So what specific policies does the federal NDP support that the provincial NDP not support such that you vote for the one and not the other?

Its also really not the case that "everything free for everyone" is remotely the position of the NDP. Or at least, it isn't more true of the NDP than the other parties. Conservatives, for instance, are all about deficit funded tax cuts, which is the same **** of giving things for "free". Although most of the benefits from the conservatives help the richest corporations. I thought a good example of this was the 2015 election where each of the conservatives, the NDP, and the liberals promised a child care policy. They approach them differently (conservatives more tax incentive based, liberals and ndp more direct payment based) but whatever.

That's exactly the problem though! Someone in their 50s doesn't appear to be able to go "first". They are competiting for the same time slots as those in their 40s, 30s, 20s, and now teens. BC doesn't get less per capita than ALberta, but 50 year olds are getting their vaccines next week and it will drop then to 45 yos etc.


If I would say the one major position that the provincial NDP and Federal differ is Alberta's resource development. Notley believes in developing the resources while diversifying the economy.

As for Childcare policies personally I think you have the kids you pay for the kids other than education. Though I do support some childcare support for families earning below a certain income level only.

Neither candidate will have an honest conversation about fiscal responsibility.
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05-07-2021 , 11:04 AM
Sadly Alberta Conservativism is built around being self centred and greedy.

Ralph Klein basically bribed the voters with their own money by gutting the Provinces Heritage Fund and instead putting more money in the pockets of people today.

That meant they were depleting the vast resource wealth of the Province to the benefit of people today while leaving the kids and grandkids to fend for themselves if that resource well tapped out or became less valuable.


Having run a business in Alberta for 9 years I never met so many quiet and unassuming Millionaires. People running a very mid sized farm but if you look closely at night when driving down the highway you see the flair heads burning off the gases of all the Natural Gas derricks and Oil derricks they had interspersed across their farms.

Every side business (catering, camps, etc) that supported that industry produced slam dunk multi millionaire owners.

Alberta alone is very comparable to Norway for Oil and Gas production and had they instead supported the continued building of the Heritage Fund it could now fulfill its mission and invest in rebuilding AB for the future.

Make the Province the leader in Green Energy solutions. Put in high speed rail from Fort Mac to the US border, connecting all major Cities in between, and into both neighbouring Provinces. Use that money to build the once promising Tech Hub and other 'non resource' businesses up.

But nope. Albertans voted and instead said 'give me, personally, all the money now and let those in the future figure stuff out with no money'. It was another argument for 'Trickle down Economics' that failed.

And those chickens have now come home to roost.

I seriously believe AB is on a downward trajectory that will see it a forever debtor Province. A very similar trajectory to what happened with Manitoba.

Manitoba and especially Winnipeg being the logistics hub of Canada for Rail (late 1800's-mid 1900's) was one of Canada's fastest growing Provinces and a place to relocate to get rich. Canada's Gateway to the West, as most goods shipping East to West or vice versa ended up in Winnipeg first.

Canada's third largest and most prosperous city in that time period.

As rail became deemphasized you have seen nothing but stagnation in the Province and the Winnipeg downtown mostly derelict and run down and inhabited by organized crime and carrying one of the biggest debt loads in the country.

I foresee the same type of stagnation for AB over the next 50years minimum. Any growth they can gain outside resource will be offset by resource decline. This while debt grows, locking them in a downward spiral of debtor Province status.

Sad, as I do not think it had to be that way and proof why gov't needs to be above self interest and govern for the long term good.
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05-07-2021 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Sadly Alberta Conservativism is built around being self centred and greedy.

Ralph Klein basically bribed the voters with their own money by gutting the Provinces Heritage Fund and instead putting more money in the pockets of people today.

That meant they were depleting the vast resource wealth of the Province to the benefit of people today while leaving the kids and grandkids to fend for themselves if that resource well tapped out or became less valuable.


Having run a business in Alberta for 9 years I never met so many quiet and unassuming Millionaires. People running a very mid sized farm but if you look closely at night when driving down the highway you see the flair heads burning off the gases of all the Natural Gas derricks and Oil derricks they had interspersed across their farms.

Every side business (catering, camps, etc) that supported that industry produced slam dunk multi millionaire owners.

Alberta alone is very comparable to Norway for Oil and Gas production and had they instead supported the continued building of the Heritage Fund it could now fulfill its mission and invest in rebuilding AB for the future.

Make the Province the leader in Green Energy solutions. Put in high speed rail from Fort Mac to the US border, connecting all major Cities in between, and into both neighbouring Provinces. Use that money to build the once promising Tech Hub and other 'non resource' businesses up.

But nope. Albertans voted and instead said 'give me, personally, all the money now and let those in the future figure stuff out with no money'. It was another argument for 'Trickle down Economics' that failed.

And those chickens have now come home to roost.

I seriously believe AB is on a downward trajectory that will see it a forever debtor Province. A very similar trajectory to what happened with Manitoba.

Manitoba and especially Winnipeg being the logistics hub of Canada for Rail (late 1800's-mid 1900's) was one of Canada's fastest growing Provinces and a place to relocate to get rich. Canada's Gateway to the West, as most goods shipping East to West or vice versa ended up in Winnipeg first.

Canada's third largest and most prosperous city in that time period.

As rail became deemphasized you have seen nothing but stagnation in the Province and the Winnipeg downtown mostly derelict and run down and inhabited by organized crime and carrying one of the biggest debt loads in the country.

I foresee the same type of stagnation for AB over the next 50years minimum. Any growth they can gain outside resource will be offset by resource decline. This while debt grows, locking them in a downward spiral of debtor Province status.

Sad, as I do not think it had to be that way and proof why gov't needs to be above self interest and govern for the long term good.
I do agree with you 100 % lots of irresponsible governments over many years. Though Ralph Klein told the truth to Albertan's. You cant spend more than is coming in . No one wants to tell Albertan's the truth. We need a sales tax and can not afford two education systems or to have the highest paid doctors, teachers and nurses and Public Sector Employees
Though 17% of Canada's GDP comes from resources. I am not sure were the country makes that up

Curious if Alberta Governments spend spend saddling their kids and grandkids with the debt . What do you think Justin Trudeau is doing?
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05-07-2021 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I do agree with you 100 % lots of irresponsible governments over many years. Though Ralph Klein told the truth to Albertan's. You cant spend more than is coming in .
That actually has been proven very false.

Countries and Provinces can and should spend more than they take (deficit) when cost of borrowing is low to build out infrastructure and invest in other areas of growth, where the return more than pays for the incurred debt. But then they need to spend less (pay down debt) when costs of borrowing are very high.

This used to the accepted wisdom but then Parties realized it always sucked to be the party of austerity, belt tightening and 'we need to take our medicine' if they got into power in 'bad' times and had to force the people to tighten up.

People might take that medicine but they surely will not remember fondly (vote) the party that made them do it.

That is why you see the Republicans try to blast all the money out and maximize debt when in power, no matter the circumstances as they know citizens look at it fondly and they hope to force the Dem's, when they take over to have to try and right the ship, by tightening spending (getting ill will).



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No one wants to tell Albertan's the truth. We need a sales tax and can not afford two education systems or to have the highest paid doctors, teachers and nurses and Public Sector Employees
agreed.


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Though 17% of Canada's GDP comes from resources. I am not sure were the country makes that up
Norway is the template. I think they get even more of their GDP from resources and they too got a terrible scare when Oil and Gas cratered in 2008 and then again in 2013.

Their government, seeing resource as the gravy train, used to pile all their subsidy money into that sector to add profits to profits. Now they report no govt' subsidies will go to oil and gas and all will got to diversification.

Notley had started tilting that way setting up nice tech subsidies for the Tech Sector Investors to take risks in that area and it was working. Edmonton quickly became one of the worlds leading AI Tech hubs with the UofA ranked 3rd in the world for AI.

We had the beginnings of a tech footprint rapidly forming with Google and Huawei and other companies setting up AI hub companies in Edmonton.

Jason Kenney campaigned on reversing that and instead plowing all the subsidy back into Oil and Gas, as a way to buy the votes of that large 'sunk money' powerful group who were desperate for a hoped for next 'boom'.

And the Tech sector investments dried up almost immediately to devastating effect.

In all my time in AB I would hear from those who had lived there all their lives that 'Oil and Gas is always cyclical. Always ups and downs. You just have to hang on and survive to the next UP and you will do well'.

That belief is what is crippling the Province. They demand gov't go All In on keeping them afloat until the next Oil Boom, because it always eventually comes back. But I don't see it coming back. So they are just throwing good money, after bad, in this triple down strategy. Unlike Norway that is focused on using that resource wealth to ensure they are not stuck tomorrow being dependant on it.

What Ireland did to build their tech sector is what AB, to a lesser extent should have focused on to make it Canada's AI hub.


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Curious if Alberta Governments spend spend saddling their kids and grandkids with the debt . What do you think Justin Trudeau is doing?
Can you re-write these sentences. I am not sure what you are asking or saying with either.
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05-07-2021 , 12:03 PM
Sales taxes are regressive. It's a horrible idea.

Also, I think the anti-vaxxers in Alberta are still a very small minority. We should easily be able to achieve 75-50% vaccination here, provided the supply lines hold.
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05-07-2021 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
That actually has been proven very false.

Countries and Provinces can and should spend more than they take (deficit) when cost of borrowing is low to build out infrastructure and invest in other areas of growth, where the return more than pays for the incurred debt. But then they need to spend less (pay down debt) when costs of borrowing are very high.

This used to the accepted wisdom but then Parties realized it always sucked to be the party of austerity, belt tightening and 'we need to take our medicine' if they got into power in 'bad' times and had to force the people to tighten up.

People might take that medicine but they surely will not remember fondly (vote) the party that made them do it.

That is why you see the Republicans try to blast all the money out and maximize debt when in power, no matter the circumstances as they know citizens look at it fondly and they hope to force the Dem's, when they take over to have to try and right the ship, by tightening spending (getting ill will).



agreed.


Norway is the template. I think they get even more of their GDP from resources and they too got a terrible scare when Oil and Gas cratered in 2008 and then again in 2013.

Their government, seeing resource as the gravy train, used to pile all their subsidy money into that sector to add profits to profits. Now they report no govt' subsidies will go to oil and gas and all will got to diversification.

Notley had started tilting that way setting up nice tech subsidies for the Tech Sector Investors to take risks in that area and it was working. Edmonton quickly became one of the worlds leading AI Tech hubs with the UofA ranked 3rd in the world for AI.

We had the beginnings of a tech footprint rapidly forming with Google and Huawei and other companies setting up AI hub companies in Edmonton.

Jason Kenney campaigned on reversing that and instead plowing all the subsidy back into Oil and Gas, as a way to buy the votes of that large 'sunk money' powerful group who were desperate for a hoped for next 'boom'.

And the Tech sector investments dried up almost immediately to devastating effect.

In all my time in AB I would hear from those who had lived there all their lives that 'Oil and Gas is always cyclical. Always ups and downs. You just have to hang on and survive to the next UP and you will do well'.

That belief is what is crippling the Province. They demand gov't go All In on keeping them afloat until the next Oil Boom, because it always eventually comes back. But I don't see it coming back. So they are just throwing good money, after bad, in this triple down strategy. Unlike Norway that is focused on using that resource wealth to ensure they are not stuck tomorrow being dependant on it.

What Ireland did to build their tech sector is what AB, to a lesser extent should have focused on to make it Canada's AI hub.


Can you re-write these sentences. I am not sure what you are asking or saying with either.
I do agree with responsible deficits but back when Kenney was elected it was irresponsible. Though He did get lucky with oil prices exploding


Yeah that was a bad write of that question

You said that the way Alberta is going we are saddling our kids and grand kids with these enormous deficits. My question to you is Justin Trudeau not doing the same thing at a federal level.

I was chatting with a buddy and we said can you imagine if Danielle Smith kept the Wild Rose Party alive and not merged she may be the current premier.
Reality is Notley wins next election unless the UCP dump Kenney
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05-07-2021 , 12:28 PM
Oh ya Trudeau is doing the same.

It was the Liberal Party that basically broke the prior unspoken deal of 'using debt when cheap, but paying down debt when not'.

Trudeau's daddy saw that and went to running massive debts regardless, which lead the PC to do same.

It was not until Chretien and then Martin (also Liberal) that we saw some change and a return to surplus.

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05-07-2021 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Just lol. It takes literally two seconds to copy and paste the quote into google and get the CBC article. Not that you need that to realize just how - OBVIOUSLY - quoting a fixed number of people registering doesn't disprove, at all, the poll about Alberta's high anti-vaxxer rates. There can be lots of anti-vaxxers while still having 100k Albertans who want to register for the vaccine on the first day!

So you're not going to post the poll?
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05-07-2021 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
So you're not going to post the poll?
Correct. I like to believe you are capable of performing basic tasks on the internet. If you don't like the direct quote from the CBC article, I'm sure you are capable of copy and pasting the quote and getting the original CBC article in under two seconds. It would have saved you a LOT of time compared to typing all your posts whining and sniveling about it. But most importantly, it would have saved you the utter embarrassment of being revealed as incapable of copying quotes into google to find sources.
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05-07-2021 , 03:12 PM
Im not sure why Canada is taking so long to support the move to remove vaccine
patents ?? This should be a no brainer
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05-07-2021 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Im not sure why Canada is taking so long to support the move to remove vaccine
patents ?? This should be a no brainer
?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-vaccines.html
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05-07-2021 , 03:38 PM
Is this the poll saying 14% of Albertans refuse to take the vaccine?
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05-07-2021 , 04:01 PM
I was finding what I thought were conflicting reports yesterday, but I think I better understand now. We've agreed to participate in negotiations about the patents, rather than saying outright that we are in favor of their renewal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ct...1_5418708.html
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05-07-2021 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I was finding what I thought were conflicting reports yesterday, but I think I better understand now. We've agreed to participate in negotiations about the patents, rather than saying outright that we are in favor of their renewal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ct...1_5418708.html
Chances are Justin is unaware of what she said as he has been coaching Katie Telford what to say at todays hearing
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05-07-2021 , 06:52 PM
I sometimes find it funny how people centralize their experience of Canadian politics around Trudeau. But that isn't really how it worked. The Trudeau campaign was always the Katie Telford and Gerald Butts show. Sadly, Butts was sacrificed to the SNC issue. However today, let's be clear, Katie Telford is the one who tells Trudeau what to say.
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05-08-2021 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Im not sure why Canada is taking so long to support the move to remove vaccine
patents ?? This should be a no brainer
Patent waivers is the feel good move, but mass exports asap might be better

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