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05-05-2021 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Holy ****, what is Alberta doing. Come Monday anyone over 12 can book an appointment? This is ridiculous! We don't need 12 year olds competing for the same vaccination appointments as 40 and 50 year olds! I feel I must still be missing something in the announcement, because otherwise this is utter BS.
Following health Canada's guildlines?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nada-1.5414935
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05-05-2021 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
This is a pretty terrible take. The reason things are similar 14 months later is because - shocker - the pandemic case loads have risen back to peak levels. What were you wanting? Doubling the amount of hospitals in Alberta in 14 months? When the restrictions are removed, cases rise. When those cases get high enough to threaten the hospital season, you have to layer the restriction back on. This is all pretty basic.
Cite or ban? Plenty of places have eased restriction and not seen a rise in cases. NS has never removed restrictions and are setting records currently.


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Originally Posted by uke_master
Alberta has made a lot of mistakes, specifically they should have put back on more restrictions faster a month ago, but to think you can magically solve this problem without restrictions when lack of restriction is what got us here is laughable.
Blaming the need to increase restrictions on people not following the rules and then expecting them to follow them because they are now tougher is laughable.
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05-05-2021 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86




Blaming the need to increase restrictions on people not following the rules and then expecting them to follow them because they are now tougher is laughable.
So what you propose ?
1 week in prison for those not following restrictions ?
10000$ penalty ?

Be the first minister and we want to know your solution .
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05-05-2021 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Though as bad as Alberta is doing and we are doing really bad other provinces are not crushing it either
All four of the large provinces saw big increases in mid-March. Three of those provinces started going back down in mid-April, while Alberta has continued the upward trajectory, now somewhere around 2-3x the per capita cases of QC, ON, and BC. None of those provinces are "crushing it" right now, but it does feel like we might be on a steady downward trend now to the summer. It seems inevitable that AB will get there too, just because of vaccines and weather, but I'm not sure why cases are still going up presently.

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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Following health Canada's guildlines?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nada-1.5414935
No, Canada makes no recommendations about how provinces should prioritize vaccines.

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Originally Posted by uke_master
Holy ****, what is Alberta doing. Come Monday anyone over 12 can book an appointment? This is ridiculous! We don't need 12 year olds competing for the same vaccination appointments as 40 and 50 year olds! I feel I must still be missing something in the announcement, because otherwise this is utter BS.
It does seem pretty strange, especially when you consider AB is lagging a bit in administering vaccines. It's only a couple of percentage points, but still, it seems odd for a trailing province to have vaccine prioritizing go by the wayside. I hope it's because health officials feel they have taken care of the most vulnerable and have decided to let everyone have it since a lot more young people are getting it than in the past. But I fear it might be so that Kenney can make proclamations like:

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Outside of the Northern Territories, Alberta is the first province to offer the vaccine to everybody 12 years of age and older no matter where they live or what medical conditions they might have
Um, cool. Of course, any province could do the same if they wanted to, but they're making decisions based on science and where they're seeing the most risk. Hopefully Kenney is letting Hinshaw do the same, but I'm not so sure that he is.

On a related personal note, got my Pfizer shot yesterday as BC just opened up my age group (52-53).
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05-05-2021 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Holy ****, what is Alberta doing. Come Monday anyone over 12 can book an appointment? This is ridiculous! We don't need 12 year olds competing for the same vaccination appointments as 40 and 50 year olds! I feel I must still be missing something in the announcement, because otherwise this is utter BS.
I cannot speak for Alberta, but in theory it should be basically math driven in terms of current supply and demand.

I know in Ontario it is in pharmacies for 40+ (the Astra stuff) and 55+ until tomorrow then 50+ for the Pfizer and Moderna. I can understand why they are lowering it, as when I look at the booking sites there are essentially no shortage of spaces available 1-3 weeks in advance, aside from a random Thursday (which was kind of strange). If they did not open it up then there would be a ton of wasted spaces, and I believe they are going to open it to 40+ next week.

In theory it should all be math driven as they should have fairly accurate demographic data on the overall population and who has gotten vaccinated and generally what percentage will not get a vaccine.

No idea what is going on in Alberta, but I will be curious to see how the availability changes after tomorrows shift of people who are eligible in Ontario. No idea if it will be fully booked 4 weeks in advance or just less available (given a good chunk of 40+ also got shots already at pharmacies for the Astra stuff). Will the booking site crash at 8 am? No idea. If they have a similar booking system in Alberta you should be able to see how available spots are in advance with the current people allowed.

Regarding the point made earlier about the US now vs Canada - welcome to the USA benefiting from having vaccine production and replacing a moron with a boring but competent President who made it his goal to get vaccines out there. They had the supply and finally had someone pushing people to get it. No shock they are doing a ton better now with those changes.
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05-05-2021 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Those are all terrible. But who are you going to vote for provincially then, the NDP? You already told us you were voting for O'Toole and his sham climate change "plan" federally.

Same party I voted for the last two provincial elections NDP unless there is a serious leadership change at the UCP.
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05-05-2021 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
When the restrictions are removed, cases rise
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
Cite or ban?
ahahahahhahahahahaha. What's next, going to cite or ban the sky is blue.? Actually I do recall you were totally confused about the basic ideas of supply and demand earlier, so perhaps that same confusion is what leads you to also not understand the relationship between restrictions and case counts. Eitherway, terribly embarrassing.



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Blaming the need to increase restrictions on people not following the rules and then expecting them to follow them because they are now tougher is laughable.
Oh wow, the embarrassment continues. The restrictions mean you can't do your yoga, your hair, or eat dinner inside even if you are the type of moron that would willfully contribute to the pandemic. As in, it isn't putting the "trust" on the morons, it is literally closing those places so the morons can't go there any more.

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Following health Canada's guildlines?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nada-1.5414935
My goodness, this is a very basic distinction. Health Canada approved them for use. They didn't say the best way to prioritize the limited supply of vaccine was to let everybody over the age of 12 get them all at the same time starting Monday! It is ridiculous that 12 year old sand 50 year olds are going to competiting for the same limits vaccine slots. Or, at least, that's what it sounds like thus far, but it is an early release so hopefully we will hear tomorrow that the booking dates won't be equal for all age groups.
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05-05-2021 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Same party I voted for the last two provincial elections NDP unless there is a serious leadership change at the UCP.
Ok. So why not vote the NDP federally then? You saw, and I think agree with me, on how terrible the Harper years were (in particular a lost decade of climate policy). You've seen how terrible the conservatives have been in Alberta. I don't even think the most stalwart conservative is particularly impressed with O'Toole. I understand at least some of your qualms about Trudeau, so fair enough, but wouldn't it thus be far more consistent to vote NDP across the board? I just don't get it, are you really thinking there is any chance the conservatives in any of those jurisdictions ever give a **** about what's best for you and your family?
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05-05-2021 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
All four of the large provinces saw big increases in mid-March. Three of those provinces started going back down in mid-April, while Alberta has continued the upward trajectory, now somewhere around 2-3x the per capita cases of QC, ON, and BC. None of those provinces are "crushing it" right now, but it does feel like we might be on a steady downward trend now to the summer. It seems inevitable that AB will get there too, just because of vaccines and weather, but I'm not sure why cases are still going up presently.
Also worth noting that BC did its cut earlier than AB on the upward trajectory. Which means we are having declines despite actually a less sever restriction (kids still in school, notably).
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05-05-2021 , 11:33 PM
Yes, less severe restrictions have been a running theme here, it seems. And with pretty good results.
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05-06-2021 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
ahahahahhahahahahaha. What's next, going to cite or ban the sky is blue.? Actually I do recall you were totally confused about the basic ideas of supply and demand earlier, so perhaps that same confusion is what leads you to also not understand the relationship between restrictions and case counts. Eitherway, terribly embarrassing.
So no citation. Plenty of states are wide open and states that are lockeddown have higher cases/deaths. NS has never eased restrictions and are currently breaking records.


https://www.politico.com/newsletters...andemic-492163

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Originally Posted by uke_master
Oh wow, the embarrassment continues. The restrictions mean you can't do your yoga, your hair, or eat dinner inside even if you are the type of moron that would willfully contribute to the pandemic. As in, it isn't putting the "trust" on the morons, it is literally closing those places so the morons can't go there any more.
Gyms and yoga have been closed for quite sometime, so has indoor dinning but cases are still increasing so what's your point? Have hair salons been the cause of outbreaks? I thought lockdowns had to happen because people were rule breaking, not getting haircuts.

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Originally Posted by uke_master
My goodness, this is a very basic distinction. Health Canada approved them for use. They didn't say the best way to prioritize the limited supply of vaccine was to let everybody over the age of 12 get them all at the same time starting Monday! It is ridiculous that 12 year old sand 50 year olds are going to competiting for the same limits vaccine slots. Or, at least, that's what it sounds like thus far, but it is an early release so hopefully we will hear tomorrow that the booking dates won't be equal for all age groups.
Do you ever get tired of being made to look foolish? Nobody is competing for vaccine slots, your blind hatred for all things Alberta is evident. You are a low level thinker that just repeats buzzwords form your little red book.

It's +12 years with existing health conditions starting May 10th, any intelligent person that's not an anti-vaxxer would say it's a great thing.Maybe high school kids can finish their year and have a prom.

https://www.alberta.ca/covid19-vaccine.aspx

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05-06-2021 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
So no citation. Plenty of states are wide open and states that are lockeddown have higher cases/deaths. NS has never eased restrictions and are currently breaking records.
My goodness. Higher restrictions unequivocably help limit the rates, and saying "cite or ban" is as laughably as asking to cite that the sky is blue. Obviously that isn't refuted by saying there are states with lower rates and little restrictions right now as restrictions are not the single factor affecting rates! Are you just trolling with this BS?

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Gyms and yoga have been closed for quite sometime, so has indoor dinning but cases are still increasing so what's your point? Have hair salons been the cause of outbreaks? I thought lockdowns had to happen because people were rule breaking, not getting haircuts.
How is this so confusing for you? Obviously these types of indoor activities are places where covid transmission should occur, which is why restricting them is so crucial when case counts are rising. Obviously these places are not the ONLY source of transmission, is that really a point that confused you or are you just trolling with this BS?




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It's +12 years with existing health conditions starting May 10th, any intelligent person that's not an anti-vaxxer would say it's a great thing.
Uh...no it isn't. Read your own link. 12+ with health conditions is the current state, on may 10th it changes to ALL over 12. This, on the surface at least, seems terrible, but I'm happy to wait for final judgement until tomorow's update.
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05-06-2021 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Ok. So why not vote the NDP federally then? You saw, and I think agree with me, on how terrible the Harper years were (in particular a lost decade of climate policy). You've seen how terrible the conservatives have been in Alberta. I don't even think the most stalwart conservative is particularly impressed with O'Toole. I understand at least some of your qualms about Trudeau, so fair enough, but wouldn't it thus be far more consistent to vote NDP across the board? I just don't get it, are you really thinking there is any chance the conservatives in any of those jurisdictions ever give a **** about what's best for you and your family?

First off I really do not see Notley as a true NDP party I see her more as a liberal. I think she has a better overall vision for Alberta in Canada. Also I liked her support for LGQBT kids in our schools. I am not thrilled with her but for me its the lesser of two evils
NDP federally is by far a different party. Way to extreme on everything. As well I see Jagmitt as another Justin Trudeau Looks good, talks great but other than that nothing. Everything free for everyone. I got fooled once by a smooth talking Liberal not again
Like you say the stalwart conservatives are not impressed with O'Toole. Ill give him a chance. Reality is I expect another minority government


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My goodness, this is a very basic distinction. Health Canada approved them for use. They didn't say the best way to prioritize the limited supply of vaccine was to let everybody over the age of 12 get them all at the same time starting Monday! It is ridiculous that 12 year old sand 50 year olds are going to competiting for the same limits vaccine slots. Or, at least, that's what it sounds like thus far, but it is an early release so hopefully we will hear tomorrow that the booking dates won't be equal for all age groups.
Note all you can do on Monday is book you vaccine shot. You may be booking into June. They are booking based on the expectations of delivery instead of waiting till they show up than have folks book.
My sister over 60 finally booked last week and is booked for late May
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05-06-2021 , 12:21 PM
Worth remembering that we can blame Kenney's incompetence for a lot of the issues in Alberta's worst in Canada or US status, but a big chunk of it is purely cultural. There are a LOT more anti-vaxxer morons than elsewhere.

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But in some parts of the country, there is greater hesitancy. In Alberta, for example, about 30 per cent of people say they will not be vaccinated or are unsure about it — roughly double the national average of 16 per cent.
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05-06-2021 , 12:38 PM
Newfoundland and the "big reset" - the province is, through profligate spending and reduced income, going to reach a debt of $16 billion by the end of the year. Small compared to some other provinces, but it's a province with a population of 500,000.

The government has come out with some recommendations in an attempt to reach a balanced budget in 6 years (what exactly that will accomplish is beyond me). Some of these include:

- 5% core government spending cuts
- 30% (over 6 years) reduction in government support for university and college
- major cuts to healthcare
- privatizing current union workforce
- privatizing provincial-owned boondoggles like Muskrat Falls
- tax increases on 2nd homes

I've seen discussion here previously about why excess defecit spending shouldn't guide public policy. It's a microcosm, but NL is a perfect example of what happens when successive budgets with that thinking come home to roost: at today's rock-bottom interest rates, the cost of servicing their debt is $1.5 billion a year - that's almost three times what they budgeted for Infrastructure initiatives in 2020.

So the obvious solution for Newfoundland is going to be a federal government bailout. It will be interesting to see what the feds demand and what the other provinces' reaction will be: there's no way the NL government gets a blank cheque without showing some serious spending reform. "We'll have a balanced budget in 6 years" isn't going to cut it.
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05-06-2021 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
First off I really do not see Notley as a true NDP party I see her more as a liberal. I think she has a better overall vision for Alberta in Canada. Also I liked her support for LGQBT kids in our schools. I am not thrilled with her but for me its the lesser of two evils
NDP federally is by far a different party. Way to extreme on everything. As well I see Jagmitt as another Justin Trudeau Looks good, talks great but other than that nothing. Everything free for everyone. I got fooled once by a smooth talking Liberal not again
Like you say the stalwart conservatives are not impressed with O'Toole. Ill give him a chance.
Let's unpack this a bit. I'll agree that the Alberta NDP is - a bit - to the right of the federal NDP. However, it still seems wildly inconsistent to be drawing from completely opposite ends of the spectrum, especially because your rationale seems so focused not on policy but on personality, how someone looks and how someone talks. So what specific policies does the federal NDP support that the provincial NDP not support such that you vote for the one and not the other?

Its also really not the case that "everything free for everyone" is remotely the position of the NDP. Or at least, it isn't more true of the NDP than the other parties. Conservatives, for instance, are all about deficit funded tax cuts, which is the same **** of giving things for "free". Although most of the benefits from the conservatives help the richest corporations. I thought a good example of this was the 2015 election where each of the conservatives, the NDP, and the liberals promised a child care policy. They approach them differently (conservatives more tax incentive based, liberals and ndp more direct payment based) but whatever.

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Note all you can do on Monday is book you vaccine shot. You may be booking into June. They are booking based on the expectations of delivery instead of waiting till they show up than have folks book.
My sister over 60 finally booked last week and is booked for late May
That's exactly the problem though! Someone in their 50s doesn't appear to be able to go "first". They are competiting for the same time slots as those in their 40s, 30s, 20s, and now teens. BC doesn't get less per capita than ALberta, but 50 year olds are getting their vaccines next week and it will drop then to 45 yos etc.
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05-06-2021 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Worth remembering that we can blame Kenney's incompetence for a lot of the issues in Alberta's worst in Canada or US status, but a big chunk of it is purely cultural. There are a LOT more anti-vaxxer morons than elsewhere.
Well of course there are Its Alberta I bet Saskatchewan is the same. Will see were it falls after everyone that wants a vaccine can get one. Than the next question will be the second shot.

Sad story in Alberta about the lady that died from blood clots on the AZ vaccine. She was experiencing extreme headaches 7 days after the shot and went to emergency and she couldn't get past screening. was told go home take some Tylenol. She died a few days later.
Someone deserves to lose their job over this
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05-06-2021 , 01:58 PM
Catherine Mckenna's hubby (Scott Gilmore)tweeted

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Here's the thing about this PM, he may be your guy, he may be better than the other guys, he may even be a nice guy, but he doesn't genuinely believe in any of the things he claims, be it feminism, climate change, democratic reform, or this. He is an empty vessel. Caveat emptor
https://twitter.com/Scott_Gilmore/st...12600197144578


Wish I knew how to embed a tweet You think she could keep her man in line
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05-06-2021 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
I dunno man .
Dropping your guy because of 1 speech you didn’t like?

I’m beginning to understand why trump was so popular for the right .
Punch line seem more important than actual policy .....
It's not just the speeches, it's everything. Guy screws up everything he touches.
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05-06-2021 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Catherine Mckenna's hubby (Scott Gilmore)tweeted



https://twitter.com/Scott_Gilmore/st...12600197144578


Wish I knew how to embed a tweet You think she could keep her man in line
I remember when people would make these takes in 2014 and 2015. Like, JT says all the right things but global warming, but is he actually going to do anything? Well he did. He ****ing made moves in this space, providing actual leadership the world desperately needs. Is continuing to make moves. Does he "really" believe it? Well I don't know why this guy thinks he can read JTs mind any better than I can, but it doesn't ****ing matter. His words and his actions are correct here, so your vapid speculation is irrelevant.
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05-06-2021 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
My goodness. Higher restrictions unequivocably help limit the rates, and saying "cite or ban" is as laughably as asking to cite that the sky is blue. Obviously that isn't refuted by saying there are states with lower rates and little restrictions right now as restrictions are not the single factor affecting rates! Are you just trolling with this BS?
How are those restrictions working in Ontario today? Must be those unsafe golf courses that broke rules and stayed open. NS also setting another record without easing restrictions.

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How is this so confusing for you? Obviously these types of indoor activities are places where covid transmission should occur, which is why restricting them is so crucial when case counts are rising. Obviously these places are not the ONLY source of transmission, is that really a point that confused you or are you just trolling with this BS?
Should occur? It's 14+ months into this, transmission points should be known. My kids school has had 3 cases all year and none in the last 3 months and it's shutdown.

Shutting down businesses and locking down young, healthy, vaccinated people that have been following the rules for 14+ months is a complete tragedy. The fact that 2 weeks to flatten the curve has turned into this is rediculous and any politician/"expert" that had anything to do with it should lose their job.


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05-06-2021 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Worth remembering that we can blame Kenney's incompetence for a lot of the issues in Alberta's worst in Canada or US status, but a big chunk of it is purely cultural. There are a LOT more anti-vaxxer morons than elsewhere.
https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/1...lity-1.5416850
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05-06-2021 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BrookTrout
Newfoundland and the "big reset" - the province is, through profligate spending and reduced income, going to reach a debt of $16 billion by the end of the year. Small compared to some other provinces, but it's a province with a population of 500,000.
I've posted about this before itt. It's strange this doesn't get very much media attention. I am guessing it's because a Liberal government has been in charge for so long in Nfld. It's also a good example of why government shouldn't be funding large "green" construction projects.
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05-06-2021 , 10:31 PM
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Ah darn. So right, my analysis from yesterday that Alberta made the terrible, terrible decision to stop prioritizing age at all. This is going to mean young people are competition with older more at risk people for the same vaccination spots.

Oh no...wait....you didn't mean that? You meant that because a fixed number of millennials signed up that some how disputed my worst-in-Canada stat about anti-vaxxer rates in Alberta? What a fail.
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05-06-2021 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BrookTrout
Newfoundland and the "big reset" - the province is, through profligate spending and reduced income, going to reach a debt of $16 billion by the end of the year. Small compared to some other provinces, but it's a province with a population of 500,000.

The government has come out with some recommendations in an attempt to reach a balanced budget in 6 years (what exactly that will accomplish is beyond me). Some of these include:

- 5% core government spending cuts
- 30% (over 6 years) reduction in government support for university and college
- major cuts to healthcare
- privatizing current union workforce
- privatizing provincial-owned boondoggles like Muskrat Falls
- tax increases on 2nd homes

I've seen discussion here previously about why excess defecit spending shouldn't guide public policy. It's a microcosm, but NL is a perfect example of what happens when successive budgets with that thinking come home to roost: at today's rock-bottom interest rates, the cost of servicing their debt is $1.5 billion a year - that's almost three times what they budgeted for Infrastructure initiatives in 2020.

So the obvious solution for Newfoundland is going to be a federal government bailout. It will be interesting to see what the feds demand and what the other provinces' reaction will be: there's no way the NL government gets a blank cheque without showing some serious spending reform. "We'll have a balanced budget in 6 years" isn't going to cut it.
I know very little about NB tbh, so hard to comment, but this is vintage neo-liberal austerity and makes me pretty hesitant.
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