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03-09-2020 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
With Trudeau yup but will survive. The blockades and economy will kill him next election
Uh...the blockades seem to be mostly if not entirely over? THANK YOU JUSTIN TRUDEAU for having his team respectfully but forcefully negotiate here. If we had listen to the con's "check their priviledge" bad cop routine, can you really imagine the protests diminishing?

It's true economy can be a problem because people act irrationally. If albertan's acted true to their self-proclaimed interests they should LOVE JUSTIN TRUDEAU economically because he entrenched the harper tax cuts and added two rounds of his own tax cuts. Albertans think that is a great thing...right? They aren't ****ing hypocrits...right?
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03-09-2020 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Uh...the blockades seem to be mostly if not entirely over? THANK YOU JUSTIN TRUDEAU for having his team respectfully but forcefully negotiate here. If we had listen to the con's "check their priviledge" bad cop routine, can you really imagine the protests diminishing?

It's true economy can be a problem because people act irrationally. If albertan's acted true to their self-proclaimed interests they should LOVE JUSTIN TRUDEAU economically because he entrenched the harper tax cuts and added two rounds of his own tax cuts. Albertans think that is a great thing...right? They aren't ****ing hypocrits...right?

How many times are you going to say We should Love Justin cause he bought a pipeline? Which I will say I do not support as well as funding the CBC and Bombardier. Trudeau's tax cuts had no effect on me

My issue is he has created a environment were no one wants to invest in Canada? Look at Buffet pulling his 8 billion from Quebec's Natural Gas Pipeline. 9 years to get Teck approved and than he will not even have the balls to say nope not gonna happen.

As for the blockades being down. Wow 4 to 5 weeks later and we still have no clue what deal he struck with a Heredity Chief that stole his title and convicted of beating his wife.
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03-09-2020 , 01:25 PM
I mean I didn't say anything in one you quoted about the pipeline, but good point at the very least every albertan should be happy with his goal - supporting alberta oil at the cost of the environment and support across the country - even if they have minor quibbles with means.

You don't benefit? I'm assuming you're not making less than 15k, in which case if your an individual you don't benefit if you made more than 227k in which case oh boy poor you so sad. The first one benefited everyone from 45-a little over 200k. And even if you are high enough to not count for either, you get the supposedly economy boosting effects of entrenching all those harper corporate tax cuts, having most canadians having tax cut money etc. But the point is simple: stupid conservatives love tax cuts. Ergo, they should love trudeau.

I'm not sure why you think noone wants to invest in canada. Can you point to where on the foreign direct investment chart you are looking: https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/...ect-investment
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03-09-2020 , 01:35 PM
I thought Trudeaus tax cuts only benefit those making below $90,000 ?


We keep reading story after story about this. Yeah Yeah I know Teck never would have been built at todays or last weeks oil prices.

I also agree with many articles that the Wetsuweten Blockades were a dry run for Trans Mountain. I think the natives need to learn that what is true about our politics is true about theirs. Your leaders are corrupt. Don't trust a politicians when he makes you a promise

I think Alberta has a better chance of seeing Keystone built before Trans Mountain


https://business.financialpost.com/c...nges-in-canada
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03-09-2020 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I thought Trudeaus tax cuts only benefit those making below $90,000 ?
No. The 2015 tax cuts dropped the "middle tax rate" between 45 and 90. But people making over 90 still get that portion dropped. Then it the 200k+ bracket is increased. The 2019 tax cuts raised the bottom threshold which similarly still means people making more get a savings. Don't get me wrong, I think both tax cuts are bad, it is just that people that like tax cuts should like them.

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I also agree with many articles that the Wetsuweten Blockades were a dry run for Trans Mountain.
That's probably true. Power to them. However, this isn't a justin trudeau problem, it is a problem. I get the conservative sentiment to send law and order swat teams at first nations people, but it isn't remotely clear that is going to be effective. It might well have made it vastly worse. Long term, trudeau's attempt at reconcilliation and balancing energy and environement is - however you want to criticize any individual handling of an individual crisis - broadly correct in my view.

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I think the natives need to learn that what is true about our politics is true about theirs. Your leaders are corrupt. Don't trust a politicians when he makes you a promise
This makes me uncomfortable. I think you should refrain from lecturing us what you think the "natives need to learn". That has a long and dark history.

Yay 10k posts!
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03-09-2020 , 03:57 PM
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This makes me uncomfortable. I think you should refrain from lecturing us what you think the "natives need to learn". That has a long and dark history.
I understood why Indian may have been perceived as racist but have no clue why Native and Aboriginal were also that and now we use Indigenous?

What I was saying as Indigenous is it hard to believe that politicians wether Conservative or Liberal lie to them and promise them things they never follow up on? They do it to all of us. I am also saying there is so much corruption within the Indigenous communities themselves. Just read an article today an Alberta Chief embezzled 1.5 million from the community.

As for a long and dark history It still amazes me that residential schooling went on while my parents were alive. I even asked my sister how could anyone stay silent while that went on?

Again I have said its tough to garner sympathy when you have no sales tax, no AHC premiums, lowest corporate tax rate and personal tax rate, and two school systems

Kenney cut the corporate tax rates and will cut further with pipe dreams it will create jobs. If your already at the lowest rate cutting it more just does not make a difference.


Maybe I am just a grumpy old man sick of waste at the federal, provincial and municipal level


Congrats on 10 K posts and the fact we can debate all this civil
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03-09-2020 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I understood why Indian may have been perceived as racist but have no clue why Native and Aboriginal were also that and now we use Indigenous?

What I was saying as Indigenous is it hard to believe that politicians wether Conservative or Liberal lie to them and promise them things they never follow up on? They do it to all of us. I am also saying there is so much corruption within the Indigenous communities themselves. Just read an article today an Alberta Chief embezzled 1.5 million from the community.

As for a long and dark history It still amazes me that residential schooling went on while my parents were alive. I even asked my sister how could anyone stay silent while that went on?
While "native" is outdated (in Canada) and not the best choice, my understanding is that it isn't the preferred term but not completely horrible either. What worried me more was the presumption that you know something about indigenous leadership that they don't know, and they really need to learn what you are teaching them. It's a little bit like white people, knowing nothing about how black parents raise their kids, suggest after a police shooting that black parents need to teach their kids to be more deferential to police when in reality OF COURSE "the talk" is something black parents are acutely, acutely aware of.

Sorry, I think your link was miss copypasted
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03-10-2020 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
While "native" is outdated (in Canada) and not the best choice, my understanding is that it isn't the preferred term but not completely horrible either. What worried me more was the presumption that you know something about indigenous leadership that they don't know, and they really need to learn what you are teaching them. It's a little bit like white people, knowing nothing about how black parents raise their kids, suggest after a police shooting that black parents need to teach their kids to be more deferential to police when in reality OF COURSE "the talk" is something black parents are acutely, acutely aware of.

Sorry, I think your link was miss copypasted
I have never lived a day in an Indigenous person's shoes and was not trying to say that. It must be the hardest culture to be raised in Canada and the USA. The governments solution of just shoving money at it will never work.


Watched a good piece on CBC Power & Politics yesterday on how much Canada is dependant on resource revenue . Every 10$ drop in a barrel of oil cost Canada 2.5 billion. They are suggesting Trudeau may have to stimulate the economy at a minimum of 20-40 billion

https://youtu.be/Rqy7eLtRmqg

Vassy is such a great news person
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03-11-2020 , 09:57 PM
I am gonna say this twice now. I wish Trudeau would restrict flights from a few more countries but overall he is doing a good job.

Part of me thinks as badly as the USA seems to be handling it is it even possible to close the US border?
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03-11-2020 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I am gonna say this twice now. I wish Trudeau would restrict flights from a few more countries but overall he is doing a good job.

Part of me thinks as badly as the USA seems to be handling it is it even possible to close the US border?
Given the us action, I’m expecting this from Trudeau tomorrow I suspect
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03-12-2020 , 09:54 PM
Trudeau's wife has coronavirus gg
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03-12-2020 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
Trudeau's wife has coronavirus gg
And they aren't testing Trudeau since he has no symptoms
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03-12-2020 , 10:51 PM
Plus he's already infected all of Canada LMAO

Last edited by grando1.0; 03-12-2020 at 10:52 PM. Reason: HILARIOUS
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03-13-2020 , 12:16 AM
so three weeks left off classes for me. If we have to close the universities, can we please do it before summer break
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03-13-2020 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
Plus he's already infected all of Canada LMAO

He is addressing the nation tonight. So his staff and the camera crew are being exposed. The acting voice is so good . He should be teaching Trump

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And they aren't testing Trudeau since he has no symptoms
They have to be

Reality is if you are showing symptoms they are not testing you unless you have been exposed or your health is taking a turn for the worse. They are advising to self quarantine
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03-14-2020 , 01:28 AM
University of Alberta eliminating ~1000 jobs. Lol Kenney lol Alberta lol Jesus.
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03-14-2020 , 01:31 AM
What an embarrassment of a province. How can you go below Quebec? Seriously. Alberta is Dan Mahowny:


https://youtu.be/s2KgMc0fmgs
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03-14-2020 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
University of Alberta eliminating ~1000 jobs. Lol Kenney lol Alberta lol Jesus.
They eliminated jobs at the technical schools as well. Though I did hear the head of NAIT say I guess we will be eliminating some positions that are redundant.

Kenney's approval rating has fallen below 50% Problem is you have no politician that wants to tell Albertan's the truth. Rachael Notley is full of it as well and believes just keep running deficits and pray for oil to hit $100

Though you can have Trudeaus approach " Budgets balance themselves"
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03-14-2020 , 03:54 PM
Yeah I’m not really sure how people get offended by the idea of public sector layoffs/cuts when the province is broke. It sucks but it’s sensible. Commies gonna commie I guess
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03-14-2020 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by steelers21
Yeah I’m not really sure how people get offended by the idea of public sector layoffs/cuts when the province is broke. It sucks but it’s sensible. Commies gonna commie I guess

Oh I am not defending what he is doing. If anything with Corona and the price oil I think the timing is horrible. Really only one person that I know qualified to run this province
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03-14-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by steelers21
Yeah I’m not really sure how people get offended by the idea of public sector layoffs/cuts when the province is broke. It sucks but it’s sensible. Commies gonna commie I guess
This is a bad take. It is about choices. Reduced revenue doesn't automatically make it reasonable to downside higher education in the province. There are many things that can be cut and many types of taxes that could rise and still be fiscally responsible. Being upset about this decision is about saying the priorities are wrong to be squeezing the education system which is vital for alberta's future, do something else. To reduce this to "commies gonna commie" is embarassing, particularly given how alleged conservatives, on both sides of the border, don't exactly have a stellar record for fiscal conservatism.
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03-14-2020 , 06:19 PM
Maybe tax your citizens?
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03-14-2020 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
Maybe tax your citizens?
Don't try and suggest radical ideas like that to Albertan's

Trudeau needs to close the USA border their in for a big reality check..
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03-14-2020 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
This is a bad take. It is about choices. Reduced revenue doesn't automatically make it reasonable to downside higher education in the province. There are many things that can be cut and many types of taxes that could rise and still be fiscally responsible. Being upset about this decision is about saying the priorities are wrong to be squeezing the education system which is vital for alberta's future, do something else. To reduce this to "commies gonna commie" is embarassing, particularly given how alleged conservatives, on both sides of the border, don't exactly have a stellar record for fiscal conservatism.
It's been reduced revenue for almost a decade. Every industry and almost every person in Alberta not in the public sector has taken a decrease in pay or has been asked to do more for less at their job, I don't get how it's unreasonable for health care and education workers to be asked the same, why should people in the private sector have to struggle while government union employees dont?

It's also not just conservatives. The liberals in Nova Scotia have made cuts health care and education.
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03-15-2020 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
It's been reduced revenue for almost a decade. Every industry and almost every person in Alberta not in the public sector has taken a decrease in pay or has been asked to do more for less at their job, I don't get how it's unreasonable for health care and education workers to be asked the same, why should people in the private sector have to struggle while government union employees dont?

It's also not just conservatives. The liberals in Nova Scotia have made cuts health care and education.
Again, it's about choices. Alberta still has the highest income per capita and the lowest taxation per capita. Yes, winning the resource lottery isn't as amazing as it once was, and that relative decline feels bad, but they still won the lottery.

My general view is that we can - and should - be doing more to support healthcare and education. While I suspect your empirical claim that "almost everyone has taken a decrease in pay" is pretty false, that still doesn't mean that it isn't important to invest in healthcare and education. Healthcare should be obvious right now. And education is there for when the province legitimately no longer has its resource lottery to bouy it.
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