Yup.


I can post endless examples of covert interviewers sneaking into Trump rallies and interviewing the people there who at first assume the interviewer is Trump friendly.

They are asked some leading questions to get them to divulge their nuttiest rationalizations and beliefs, and they do. they are then shown facts and when confronted with them, you can see this moment of reeling and disillusionment. Something they had convinced themselves was unassailable and why they were right, suddenly shown to be wrong.

Within seconds though you watch them 'shake it off', the doubt suddenly gone and they are on to the next rationalization.

They have no desire to ever get to any 'truth' that does not match up with their end goal of simply being 'All In on Trump'.


These people willingly gaslight themselves. They truly self delude to the point they can convince themselves they are justified attacking and marching in to the Capital.


You could not convince them, in that moment, they are wrong as they are fully gaslit.

Many of them have spoken it about after, in the courts as charges are being levied against them. How they got a point of true delusion and were a victim of that.

When Mr Trump said in 2016 that he could shoot someone (implicitly dead) on Fifth Avenue and 'wouldn't lose any voters', I think he meant that his supporters would gaslight themselves about what happened, as in fact the supporters of notorious criminal defendants do often do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-trial-biased/

I retracted my belief that the accusation of gaslighting should be banned. I can find the link if you want.

All of this is just more in the same vein as this.

The original term gaslighting comes from such an important time period and place and is so aptly descriptive of bad guys behavior that I would be upset if the "no you're gaslighting me " chauvinism were able to change its meaning. It seems like literally a step backward.

Again:

- Trump won the election he is still POTUS - A lie one says to others and self.

- I have watched lots of videos and am convinced Trump won. You should watch them too - A delusion one shares or accept on to self


- I want Trump to remain POTUS, and as such I need others and myself to really, TRULY, find the reasons the justify that belief and our actions and i will seek them out and share them to convince others. - A lie, yes. A delusion, yes. But as a means to an ends, it is also gaslighting oneself and others as a way to justify a thought or belief system or to maintain or push arguments you know would not hold otherwise.

Perhaps those people merely literally believe he is still president, so this belief doesn't meet the definition of gaslighting oneself.

I know someone who literally believes that Trump is still president.

This is in no way contrary to what I posted.

Except for the actual words were you say "...a "I disagree with you and refuse to consider anything you say. And you are also lying". This seems to have overtaken the original to become the primary use now. Just like "literally" now means "figuratively". I guess if QP wants to be on that train it's up to him...."


Because what you quote above saying "in no way contradicts" it, it does. It makes a clear distinction that the gaslighting is neither just the 'lying' or 'refusal to consider" and the key distinction if the USE of the lie or false narrative to basically work backwards from an ends.

'i want Trump to still be POTUS and i want people to support fighting for that and therefore here is a bunch of reason (lies, distortions, etc) i and others have to accept to act on this.'

I have stated that it has been my observation that in recent years the definition of gaslighting has drifted beyond its original meaning and that you seem to be on board with that. This does not contradict you adding to the drift with "self-gaslighting". This is not hard.

This is what happens when someone tries to compliment Cuepee.

There is a perfectly good word for that already, it's called denial.

No, he meant that his firm supporters couldn't care less about any violations of the law in support of Trump and his cause They proved that a few years later when they were fine with Trump sending a mob to the Capitol to murder his own VP. Trump could have lynched Pence himself and plenty (maybe most) of his supporters would have been fine with it.

What exactly does he mean by that? Does he believe Trump is the one in the White House making the decisions? What does he think when Trump criticizes presidential actions made by Biden? That Trump is in on the charade?

To be fair, most men are like that. A slim majority but a majority nonetheless. It is only more noticeable to you because QPs posts fall into that category so obviously. Most straight guys are overly emotional and misinterpret any honest and open communication in an effort to help as an occasion to punch a hole in the wall.
Like typical guys they are so sure their opinion is especially illuminating and involves understanding that you don't have that they can explain for hours and hours your many faults but one disagreeable comment and things are over.

I think I may understand and possibly agree with what you are saying here if it were a stand-alone post, but I don't understand it as a reply to me. I had quoted a post where SS complimented and expressed agreement with QP, but you're talking about a "disagreeable comment", which seems to be the opposite.

In cuepees mind, many posts meant to help him or provide meaningful discussion ( including complimentary posts) were gaslighting.I thought that if he was slightly more perceptive( or more accommodating if you were to ascribe an element of trolling) his posts had an aspect of refreshing masculinity at times. However no one with a refreshingly masculine take would post as much as he did in the way he has. I often post the way I do because I like to help guys and am just trying to be helpful.

Huh, so now I take it you're not a "guy"? I did not expect that from someone named "Spaceman"

Also, curious what the username being in purple means. I've also seen some names in blue (like Boba Fett) which I at first thought meant he was a moderator but then he said he wasn't.

lol wut



stop gaslighting me.

The way you said "refreshing masculinity" and "I like to help guys" made me think you're a woman. Doesn't really matter though.

I am still wondering about the purple and blue usernames though, if you or anything would care to enlighten me.

purple is the color of royalty.

How do I get to be royal too?

My friend believes that Trump was duly re-elected in November of 2020, and that Biden's presidency is illegitimate. In effect, Trump was the victim of an illegal coup.

Oh, plenty of people think that. Maybe even Trump himself. Doesn't sound like he thinks Trump IS president though, but that he should be.

Last year I saw a video interview with some people who said they thought Trump really was still president and was making the decisions behind the scenes. But they also had some signs complaining about the withdrawal from Afghanistan. So then the interviewer asked if that meant that the poor withdrawal from Afghanistan was Trump's fault.
They said no and looked very confused.