We've had this chat before, Kel. It's won't hold my breath. Because if you hold your breath waiting for something that will never happen, you'll die, you see.

Common sense and retention of information are not really your strong points, are they?

Not that you actually care and will quickly pivot to something else, but the literal director of P25 Paul Dans was previously a member of Trumpy’s admin

There is only one Koch brother still alive involved in politics, he is 88, and him and Trump are political enemies. Charles Koch certainly didn't write any part of Project 2025. At most, he is a passive investor (assuming Project 2025 is even a real thing). And he certainly isn't connected to Trump in any meaningful capacity.

Try again.

It’s been discuss and publish many times .
We don’t want again to redo everything to someone like u who won’t care anyway .
It’s already all publicly available and there is nothing worthwhile try convince u anyway on that matter .

U think it’s a conspiracy hoax , fine shrug .

What exactly do you think is unconstitutional about DEI?

Also if it’s so good, wouldn’t you want Trump to be associated with Project 2025? Or you think it’s a good set of policies but Trump isn’t conservative enough or maybe just not smart enough to implement it

Jesus christ the Trump supporter ministry of truth is working overtime this election

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If you're really interested in who is involved with the Heritage Foundation, it's in their annual report:

https://static.heritage.org/annual-r...zU5MS42MC4wLjA.

The idea that P25 is some fake news boogeyman is literally the stupidest ****ing thing that nobody believes, including trump supporters

This guy is the laziest, most unintelligent president in American history. He outsourced every judicial appointment he made to heritage, outsourced every cabinet posting he gave to people who cared more than he did, outsourced his current running mate to thiel and his idiot son, the guy is so famously disinterested in policy his own staff had to put pictures and his name in their memos to keep him interested

****ing of course heritage basically said to him ‘don’t think, we’ll do it for you.’ If you like what heritage has to offer, fine. But don’t sit here pretending this comically unpopular to the point people have to deny its existence strategy to appear electable isn’t actually a thing

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/11/p...s-project-2025

Why DEI is unconstitutional

https://www.heritage.org/progressivi...-gone-dei-next

Short version is: anything that isn't complete and pure racial blindness is completely unconstitutional.

Any attempt to legally favor in any way anyone for his ethnicity (or sex or sexual preference) are a violation of the constitution, even if it's about members of previously discriminated against groups.

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P25 Is very good about the dismantling of the administrative state but baddish on the (few) christian nationalist parts, and curiously has 2 opposite positions on tariffs and trade in general.

There is the Navarro garbage protectionism and the Lassman free trade absolutism I prefer .

But anyway voters don't read policy proposals in detail, and the Dems had the correct instinct to try to link p25 to trump because it's easy to get bad looking sound bites how of it.

Trump had the correct instinct of claiming he has nothing to do with the project because of that.

For me it's good some people came out and gave a plan on how to dismantle leftism in a profound way.

Trump is clearly not the best candidate to achieve that, but the plan can be fleshed out in time, discussed, polished and so on.

And keep in mind p25 was written when trump wasn't the candidate yet (he could have been in jail come 2024, or rds won primaries or anything like that)

Trump outsourced judge picking to the federalist society (like any republican would have done), not to heritage foundation.

Lol he literally cited heritage in his post

You can’t make up a cartoonish clown like Luciom if you tried

I don't know what post you refer to and who the "he" is, but the entity who vets judge picks for republicans, and which worked incessantly to reverse roe v Wade for 40 years, and gave us American hero Gorsuch to SCOTUS, is the federalist society.

The entity that in a sense saved america from the worst horrors of leftism by securing, for now, the first normal court in 80 years, is the federalist society.

Ok. So correct me if I am wrong, but it appears this is actually what has happened.

So what happened is that some right wing intellectuals (as much as any exist) got together and wrote to a 900 page conservative manifesto. Some of them worked for the Trump administration from 2016-2020, but that is really all the connection there is to Trump. As an aside, many of the platform points are not even something Trump endorses or agrees with.

The Democrats and MSM cynically tie this manifesto to Trump (despite Trump saying he has no connection to it and doesn't agree with many of the policy platforms) and amplify the most unpopular, divisive points.

As this entire saga is taking place on left wing platforms, and most prospective Trump supporters dont follow left wing media, or even care about policy, it will have minimal impact on voting come November.

Not "some intellectuals", the biggest, more established policy think tank on the right.

Connection with trump is a tad closer, given say Miller company was advisory to the p25 project (he severed ties when trump recently said he wants nothing to do with p25), Navarro was a key person for Trump even after 2020, and so on.

Trump in 2022 met with the p25 ppl.

Yes democrats take the worst points, which trump didn't endorse, and claim they are trump policy proposals, that's standard for the democrats.

Impact of everything on voting is minimal this election, vast majority of people already decided who to vote for and won't change mind no matter what.

But independents/undecided/RFK supporters exist and it's all about them.

No idea which social media content they are consuming though, so no idea how much they have heard of this stuff.

I don't remember Kel being this dumb, guess I haven't been paying attention.

I actually broadly agree with this analysis, but I’m not sure Trump not immediately signing on to the worst parts of it means that the worst parts won’t be implemented. Trump is a blank canvas in many ways, and the more sycophantic people are the more he listens to them.

Its funny to see 2 MAGAs in this thread where 1 saying project2025 is science fiction trying to push it away from trump
While the other praise it as a future great accomplishment by trump if elected ….

It's funny because neither me nor dunyan are MAGA

he says he doesn't associate with it and doesn't know anything about it

however when he has had former aides who were running it and hd pics as seen a year or two ago it makes you think.

this will hurt him. he needs to keep saying its the radical right like he di da month ago and keep hammering it in

Yes, you are wrong.

The Heritage Foundation is the most powerful conservative think tank in the US since the '80s and has pretty much been in the driver's seat of US conservative ideology since. It is not "some intellectuals".

The part that many in this thread get right is the inter-marriage between the Trump campaign and the Heritage foundation, and how this ties Project2025 to his campaign.

What many miss is that the Heritage Foundation under new leadership have during the last 3 years gone full-blown MAGA, complete with election denial and its president Kevin Roberts stating in a NYT-interview stating that the think-tank's goal is to "install Trumpism".

Now, the MAGA and Trumpism we hear about every day isn't exactly a reflective movement, so for the most part there is not much deep analysis to be found. It is mostly just shouting "fake news!" and assuming that anything anti-Trump is bad. However, MAGA battle-cries are very, very clear: Political opponents are to be persecuted, oversight over the Trump administration is bad, teaching people anything other than Trumpism is wrong, checks and balances that can stop Trumpism must be removed, democracy is bad and elections where Trump does not win are rigged.

Project2025 is for the most part just those talking points taken into an actual political roadmap. And yes. MAGA and Trumpism sounds stupid when spoken, but it sounds absolutely insane when its actual implications are taken to heart and written down. That is the reason Trump and his campaign are distancing themselves from Project2025.

So its not like Trump and MAGA just happened to be infected by a controversial conservative plan for shaping US government. It is the other way around. A highly influential conservative think tank has through its connections with the Trump campaign built the roadmap for how Trumpism and MAGA is to be implemented. Sure, they stole the homework of Viktor Orbán, but the plans are still very much genuine.

accusing the current democratic party with biden at the helm and afterwards harris extreme left and evil...hum yes u are lol...

there is simply no policies u disagree with MAGA and u see the left as enemies !

pretty much sums it up nicely.

So i spent 11 minutes to learn that the ultra detailed, department by department, list of bureaucratic steps necessary to achieve what they transparently want and tell everyone they want, won't be published, to avoid scrutiny by leftists which could come up with counter measures.

Pretty reasonable and what would be the bad part?

It's still just about which policies you like and which you don't.

They listed by passing many policies and the only one that I dislike is federal intrusion in the topic of abortion. The rest are policies people on the right like and want, what would be the fuss?

Trump distanced because of abortion mainly, he knows that's a political losing issue and if he could he would stop talking about abortion at all.

I mean you guys like the DoE. Even if it just made education worse. Because it's more jobs more leftists and more power to the executive even if the federal government shouldn't have any role constitutionally in education.

You guys like illegal immigrants. Americans as a majority don't.

You guys like to claim the FBI and the DOJ are independent, so when it's your turn to govern you can disregard that as you always do and persecute whomever you want anyway; when it's republicans turn they can't because of the civil servants you installed acting against the will of the people.

And so on and on. Discuss the policies if you want a conservation, the hell is this joke with horror movie music behind the description of a very healthy political attempt to actually implement ideas that might gather the majority of the vote?

I know you truly hate democracy but I didn't think at the point of considering even the possibility of a rightwing win with the enactment of lawful rightwing provisions a "threat" of anything, except of the power of the left.