ya thats a big part of it.

but the goal of prison isnt to reduce crime or lessen societal impact. its to make money.

and I get the feeling that LoL doesnt care much about lessening crime either but just wants to punish people.c

I am anti-crime and would prefer measures to reduce it. LolL and the rest of the right wingers in this country would prefer to just punish people for various reasons and which has been proven to increase crime.

I dont see any of the anti-theft crusaders going after bosses and corporate cartels for systematically stealing wages. ofc, that isnt a felony like when the company is stolen from.

https://www.epi.org/publication/epid...kers-hundreds/

As I said earlier, I have a lot to say about the prison system, for sure.

Lol if you think I'm just into punishing people just because.

Double lol that you think I'm a right-winger.

That out of the way, let's hear what measures would reduce it?

What does 'stating as much' change when you just keep lying.

My position has never been for any singular response by police but you keep lying and pretending it was.

The entirety of my position is that 'if the police infiltrate the communications and know where and when a mass swarming event will happen they will have multiple ways then to deal with it'.


You have taken two really brain dead positions against that. First you act like it would be virtually impossible to gain access to the communications going out to a hindered or more individuals. Second you act like only a police Swat like reaction is the only option when I have presented that police will have many actions they can take that can work.

Nothing in my positions is even remotely controversial and nothing in your replies is even remotely sensibly.

You are 100% emotion driven and clinging to a failed position you have taken as a result.

Bro, you need to read your posts if you want to see the effects of emotional posting. I'm kind of sensing you like to argue just to argue. How close am I?

I think what you say needs to be even more strongly stated.

There are think tanks and lobbies attached to the For Profit prison industry who work out the best ways to ensure more people fail at rehabilitation, have jobs and other options reduced, thus leading them back to crime, so that they can up their customer numbers (prisoners) and make more profit.

Making prisons For Profit, and having them advocate for and lobby for increases in jail time for an increasing number of non violent is just madness. American style madness.

ofc you are a right winger. you are a liberal that loves Democrats.

to reduce crime is pretty simple. end the war on drugs. end poverty. provide education and jobs for all people. so basically, Communism.

its not madness. its the perfectly rational output of capitalist society.

You endorse it sometimes and sometimes you pretend you don't. No matter, I'll let your posts speak for anyone bored enough to read them.

If you aren't ignorant of American politics then simply being against zero bail policies is pretty much racist as hell.
Just sayin'.

Keep them talking long enough and they tell you the truth.

Nah, I don't like Democrats either, but they're generally the lesser of two evils on the presidential ticket.

Yeah, and when someone gets out of line in a communist society, you'll think the US system of justice isn't so bad.

I guess I'm ignorant of American politics because I fail to see how it's racist. Perhaps you can take a second and explain?

He doesn't want to reduce crime. He wants to increase the incarceration rate.

It's only like 70 grand a year per person.

What have I said that would lead you to think I want to increase the incarceration rate? This is you projecting again...

You're ignorant of too much to keep wasting time with.

But no worries, your man Trump will run again so you have hope.

GL

You really should be banned at some point.
Although being too dumb/stoned/dishonest to keep track of your own posts isn't against the TOS so, have at it I guess.

GL

Trump, lmao. Just do a keyword search of Trump with my user name and you'll see loads of anti-Trump posts of mine in the Trump thread.

So far, the only people resorting to personal insults is you and QP. I'm not sure if that's against the current TOS or not, but it sure isn't a good debating tactic.

If someone calls me a racist when I have said nothing against any race, I'm going to ask why. If you can't provide an explanation, then I'm going to assume it's just more name calling.

It's less about being soft on crime and more about being soft on those whose life's circumstances seem so dismal that engaging in petty crime seems +ev.

The only two people dumb enough to give you attention have ended up frustrated with your nonsense ?

That's shocking.

I agree with you, I think the US incarceration rate is way, way too high. The US incarceration rate is like 20x that of Japan but is still much more dangerous. If we actually wanted to reduce crime we would have a war on poverty and inequality.

Well, I wasn't aware that having an opinion on bail makes someone racist or not racist depending on the opinion, so you'll have to excuse my "nonsense."

As for being frustrated, I'm fairly certain that resorting to juvenile insults will not have the effect you want it to.

Not racist. Just misunderstood ?

Got it.

Tell me exactly why not being opposed to measures that can help secure a person shows up to all of his or her court appearances is racist, and I'll let you know. Try to be specific this time and not something vague like, "Well, Trump once said the same thing and he's racist, therefore that makes you racist."

But you are spewing nonsense. Maybe you don't really mean it and its a form of trolling and fun for you but it is nonsense.

You refuse two of the least controversial and common sense positions by me and instead kept dragging them into extreme strawman territory to provoke a fight that never should have occurred had you just been reasonable.


NO one intelligent is going to react strongly to the 'proposal of police targeting communication channels between these 80 plus people' as if so absurd it should not even be said or debated. You went to all sorts of leaps to try and distort it which shows you know on merits of the statement it is correct.

No one intelligent would suggest that IF the police did get access to the communication and knew when and where these people would be coming that the police would not be able to do anything. You again tried to jump to absurd extremes instead of just dealing with what i said, again proving you know you are wrong and need to distort the discussion to have any point.


It would be one thing if you said, 'ya I just think that will be way harder than you think' and I replied 'I doubt it' and we then agree to disagree and move on but instead you felt it necessary to take a tact of what I was saying was absurd and provably not accomplishable.

My bro is still going on about communication channels.

And you are still pretending that communications channels do not exist when you have 80+ people arriving in one location and a hundred or more in the loop.


Imagine being LoL and pretending the idea of communication channels is so absurd it was to be ridiculed like these people must communicate telepathically.

I didn't say communication channels do not exist. That bears repeating: I did not say communication channels on the internet do not exist.

As easy as you say it is to infiltrate their channel, it's even easier to do these communications on the dark web - I'm talking about the dark web, not lol Apple encryption.

As for your mafia rhetoric, of the 14 that were picked up over the course of 11 robberies, all 14 were booked and processed, given an arraignment date months down the road and immediately released, so the cops didn't get to do their Cagney and Lacey to get the deets on the next hit.

You keep saying the cops can gain leverage by offering deals, yet no one gets offered a deal because they don't need one.