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11-10-2021 , 07:43 PM
hell of an acting job by Rittenhouse today. hope the vigilante spends the rest of his life behinds bars for the murder of innocent citizens.
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11-10-2021 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
this case does do one thing. it clearly shows the cultural divide between people who think its heroic to arm up and go looking to shoot people that disagree with you politically and the rest of sane america.

makes me further entrenched in the belief that the alt-right isnt worth reaching out to politically ever. just accept that a not insignificant portion of the country is irredeemable and go about passing sane legislation without them.
I hate these morons that like to play army and take weapons to protests. They were doing it all that summer and was just a matter of time before someone got shot. Nothing good is coming out of it.
That being said, don't see how anyone could expect him to get done in for murder here.
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11-10-2021 , 08:20 PM
Does it matter to any one that the Judges cell phone ringtone song is 'God Bless the USA' which has become a mainstay of Trump rallies and rally song for many in the Alt right extremist groups?
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11-10-2021 , 08:41 PM
Just watched some parts of the trial from early today. Holy hell, how can it be a good idea for the prosecutor to just antagonize the judge like that? Is it some kind of 4D chess move?
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11-10-2021 , 08:58 PM
I did not see how the iPad issue 'Picture enlarge issue was resolved. Did anyone see that?

For those that do not know the Prosecution was using an iPad to show certain pictures and video segments throughout the trial. The prosecutor said to the judge he was going to showing a certain section of the video and using the 'enlarge' feature to blow it up for closer viewing.

The defense offered a bizarre objection that they had been informed that when you do that the iPad is inputting data into the picture to basically fill in the spaces and without examination of what was going in first they objected.

The judge admitted he was not tech savvy but if indeed the software is adding any data he would not allow it without the prosecution first bringing in an expert to convince him it was not an issue.

The prosecution brought up that every physical picture that is blown up for viewing and almost all video zooms avail themselves of the same process of inputting pixels to keep the resolution as the image is expanded. The judge got very angry at the prosecutor at this point saying 'if they allowed every other picture prior that is irrelevant as you did not object'.

Last I saw the prosecutor said the video was a key part was being denied due to this nonsense objection. DId anyone see how it was resolved?
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11-10-2021 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
hell of an acting job by Rittenhouse today
I think people are reading too much into this.
To me it didn’t seem like he got emotional when recapping what happened, he just had a panic attack.

It didn’t make him look bad or good at all. No point in faking it.
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11-10-2021 , 09:12 PM
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You say keep the defendant off the stand . Damn he did good
I thought Rittenhouse's testimony went disastrously. Should still be a hung jury but the prosecutor's cross was a million times more devastating than anything else in the trial imo.
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11-10-2021 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I hate these morons that like to play army and take weapons to protests. They were doing it all that summer and was just a matter of time before someone got shot. Nothing good is coming out of it.
That being said, don't see how anyone could expect him to get done in for murder here.
A reasonable take imo.
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11-10-2021 , 09:32 PM
Prosecution should of asked how many hookers he killed in gta
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11-11-2021 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Prosecution should of asked how many hookers he killed in gta
I bet that prosecutor has killed more hookers IRL.
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11-11-2021 , 01:49 AM
im not sure how the prosecution "antagonized" the judge. anyone got a clip? I didnt see anything as to why the judge had to get pretty riled up over anything.


that bein said, I think the defense is still in the lead as of now.
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11-11-2021 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I hate these morons that like to play army and take weapons to protests. They were doing it all that summer and was just a matter of time before someone got shot. Nothing good is coming out of it.
That being said, don't see how anyone could expect him to get done in for murder here.
this

i went into it thinking dude brought gun their to shoot people and shot people

today i left thinking he won't be convicted, when people testify they were pointing guns at him and the prosecutor is trying to make an issue over the degree of guns being pointed at you "was he holding it with both hands or one" then there's a clear case for self defense, as absurd as it can be that someone who brings an assault rifle to a protest can claim self defense

this is a joke
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11-11-2021 , 01:58 AM
The prosecutor did things during his cross-examination of the defendant that would be an automatic mistrial in most cases:

(1) He commented on the defendant remaining silent.

(2) He attempted to go into topics that were explicitly excluded by the judge pretrial. Specifically he attempted to get into propensity evidence which is only allowed in very specific instances and was disallowed in this case.
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11-11-2021 , 06:43 AM
^^^ are you a criminal lawyer, if so, is there any chance the prosecution is trying to get a mistrial for whatever reason
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11-11-2021 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I hate these morons that like to play army and take weapons to protests. They were doing it all that summer and was just a matter of time before someone got shot. Nothing good is coming out of it.
That being said, don't see how anyone could expect him to get done in for murder here.
+1
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11-11-2021 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
The prosecutor did things during his cross-examination of the defendant that would be an automatic mistrial in most cases:

(1) He commented on the defendant remaining silent.

(2) He attempted to go into topics that were explicitly excluded by the judge pretrial. Specifically he attempted to get into propensity evidence which is only allowed in very specific instances and was disallowed in this case.
The wannabe atticus finch is so bad at prosecution. Rittenhouse is intelligent enough to have won this case pro se.
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11-11-2021 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by honkler1945
The wannabe atticus finch is so bad at prosecution. Rittenhouse is intelligent enough to have won this case pro se.
Any defendant in a serious criminal matter intelligent enough to win pro se is also intelligent enough to not appear pro se.
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11-11-2021 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Does it matter to any one that the Judges cell phone ringtone song is 'God Bless the USA' which has become a mainstay of Trump rallies and rally song for many in the Alt right extremist groups?
And has been played for decades prior to that . Give it a break
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11-11-2021 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
And has been played for decades prior to that . Give it a break
And I am not suggesting otherwise.

But will you also acknowledge that decades old songs often become common again when taken up by certain causes that resonate and are then taken up en masse by individuals who sympathise with said cause?

I am not asking you to conclude that is what happened here but rather that it is pretty common.

A quick example would be a sports team coming out to an entry song that the fans then adopt as their ringtone.

Pretty common right?
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11-11-2021 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And I am not suggesting otherwise.

But will you also acknowledge that decades old songs often become common again when taken up by certain causes that resonate and are then taken up en masse by individuals who sympathise with said cause?

I am not asking you to conclude that is what happened here but rather that it is pretty common.

A quick example would be a sports team coming out to an entry song that the fans then adopt as their ringtone.

Pretty common right?
No your indicating that just because the Judge has God Bless America as a ringtone he is a racist Trump Supporter.
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11-11-2021 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And I am not suggesting otherwise.

But will you also acknowledge that decades old songs often become common again when taken up by certain causes that resonate and are then taken up en masse by individuals who sympathise with said cause?

I am not asking you to conclude that is what happened here but rather that it is pretty common.

A quick example would be a sports team coming out to an entry song that the fans then adopt as their ringtone.

Pretty common right?
Peter Boyle all but told the prosecutor he gave the defense grounds for a mistrial if KR is found guilty. I'm not sure he's quite as bad as some of us assumed initially.
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11-11-2021 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Any defendant in a serious criminal matter intelligent enough to win pro se is also intelligent enough to not appear pro se.
This kid is pretty sharp. I don't know anything about him but I keep wondering what's up with his parents. He's got some stupid ideas in his head and no one seems to be challenging them. Although, he's soon to be a convicted felon. That sets you back a few squares in the game.

(not a convicted murderer imo, unless the Rosenbaum shooting isn't seen as sd. Which is the only one I think there will be a debate on in the jury room)
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11-11-2021 , 11:45 AM
Isnt the problem here its legal to be walking down the street strapped with an AR 15 and more problems when a few folks shot are carrying concealed weapons and I am not sure if they were legal.
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11-11-2021 , 11:46 AM
You can't have a mistrial after a verdict. You can have a directed verdict or a judgement notwithstanding the verdict (neither will happen in this case).
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11-11-2021 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
You can't have a mistrial after a verdict. You can have a directed verdict or a judgement notwithstanding the verdict (neither will happen in this case).
So the defense requests a mistrial, it's not a part of the appeals process ?

I see one has actually been requested. Here we go....
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