Further to my prior point this was the language used by Gerald Fort to ensure broad and sweeping Pardon power to Richard Nixon when charges were not filed.


...Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon absolved the former president of “all offenses against the United States which he … has committed or may have committed or taken part in” ..."

You can see how the broadness of the Pardon would make it impossible for Nixon to not testify, if called on those matters, by taking the 5th and saying what he says might incriminate him, when he cannot be charged in any area, even expanding ones, in this investigation.


So it would be interesting to see the language of the actual pardon Trump used for Flynn and how broad it was.

Because Manafort was never offered a deal to walk scott free if he talked, until they saw the scope of what he had to say, as i understand it.

Also I think Manafort was far more worried about the stuff he was doing outside of Trump and his orbit than within. He had spent years grifting in Russia and Ukraine before bringing that skill to Trump and Co.

If Mueller forced him to tell all, which he certainly would have, sure he might have got a deal for talking. Maybe he gets 10 years instead of life. Or al ife sentence instead of a death sentence.

Trump and a Pardon was always his best bet to serve the least amount of time and there should be no doubt Trump let him know a pardon would come as he signaled it constantly not just to Manafort but to others he was trying to keep silent.

Nonsense... Mueller isn't an idiot... he would have let Charlie bleepin Manson run loose if he could have bagged Trump. They found Manafort had nothing to impeach Trump and he was guilty of tax evasion and FARA violations so they sent him to jail (legitimately) because he wouldn't compose.

Manafort would have sung like a canary on crack if he could have kept his pasty white bread ass out of jail and Mueller would have released him and had a monument built for his "service to America". C'mon......

LOL no.

Nonsense.

Mueller is not a judge. Mueller does not do sentencing.

HE MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS.

And do you know what happened when Flynn cooperated and Mueller made a recommendation on more lenient sentencing?

The Judge said no. He warned Flynn and his team that what they did was so egregious that he was not going to go with Mueller recommendations.

Mueller could have subpoenaed him to testify in front of a grand jury and give him immunity to compel testimony if he thought he had anything real/impeachable on Trump. But he knew full well no such thing existed so they pressured Manafort to make something up knowing Trump couldn't pardon him until he was either leaving office or inaugurated the second time.

If Manafort had anything juicy/impeachable on Trump he would have played that card to stay out of jail.

And what did Flynn do that was so egregious?

(Edit may be some conflicting info on this)
(Edit two - maybe someone else wants to take a crack at this, just for curiosity sake. as i do not have the time to right now. It seems State Transactional Immunity is more common. I cannot find anywhere saying Federal Transactional Immunity happens and did find the one link saying it does not. BUt other links I see refer to 'immunity' generally as a tool at all levels, so its confusing)

Transactional Immunity

...Immunity in Exchange for Testimony
There are two kinds of immunity, one more common than the other....

...;Transactional immunity is the broadest type of immunity; it offers complete protection from future prosecution for any matter mentioned in the immunized testimony. Because it’s so broad, transactional immunity is also commonly referred to as “total” or “blanket” immunity.

Although transactional immunity offers the most protection for a witness, it doesn’t prevent prosecution for criminal activities that are unrelated to something discussed in the immunized testimony. And transactional immunity isn’t always available—for example, the federal system doesn’t use it...

Regardless of my last post NP, I do not agree at all. Testifying and make Trump and then Barr his enemy and having to disclose everything would be far more risky than taking the pardon Trump was dangling.

Re Flynn

She tweeted: 'The #Kraken was just released on #Georgia', along with a link to her website.

She added: 'Exhibits to follow. Also #ReleaseTheKraken in #Michigan'.

Ex-Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell files lawsuits in Michigan, Georgia

Sidney Powell, the lawyer recently distanced from the Trump campaign, on Wednesday filed typo-filled lawsuits in both Michigan and Georgia alleging election fraud.

The suits alleged problems linked to voting machines, mail-in ballots and former Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, according to Bloomberg. Powell repeatedly made the accusations without providing evidence while she was a member of the Trump campaign’s legal team.

The new suits also included allegations about forged ballots and observers being unable to watch vote tabulation,...

...Both of the cases filed by Powell were riddled with typographical issues.

The case in Michigan had a number of formatting problems that removed spacing between words,... the word district was misspelled twice on the first page of the document: There was an extra c for “DISTRICCT,” and then it was spelled “DISTRCOICT.”
...


BEHOLD as i have captured an image of her mighty Kraken!!!

She sounds a little more than bi-polar. Tri-polar?

Happy Thanksgiving penetrates...

Happy Thanksgiving to all the pathetic idiots who voted for this

Wasn't sure whether this was better in the Covid thread, but my post is more about the leaders than Covid, so I'll put it here.



Imagine if this was what the US had back in February and March until now, instead of a buffoon promoting Hydroxychloroquine, making fun of masks, and encouraging people to fight back against their governors. And I don't think this Tweet is ground-breaking or that the Bidens are amazing for having done it. I think it's a great video, but any leader can get together with their media people and speech-writers and make a pretty video. This is just good leadership, that you should expect from a decent President. It's only now, after 4 years of the Tangerine Tornado, that this seems exceptional. It just makes me very happy, and thankful, that you're all headed back to some normal leadership for 4 years. Happy Thanksgiving!

Don't forget appointing a SCOTUS justice that turned John Roberts into a member of the liberal 5-4 minority on allowing COVID restrictions!

"Communists!"

Yes, we have been missing this!

Yeah, it was kind of nice when it was 4-4 and John Roberts was always the swing vote. Lot of power for one person, but nice that someone doesnt follow party lines.

He's so incredibly butthurt lmao

As a Biden voter I have no need or desire to watch some random holiday message unless I am comparing and contrasting it vs trump. I look forward to being ignorant of politics again

Trump’s Pennsylvania Appeal Rejected in Scathing Decision by His Own Appointee


- A federal appeals court has shot down the Trump campaign’s attempt to overturn the election result in Pennsylvania—with a judge appointed by the president writing the scathing decision.

- The judges who ruled were all appointed by Republicans: Bibas, who was nominated by Trump in 2017, Chief Justice Brooks Smith, who was nominated in 2001 by President George H.W.Bush; and Judge Michael Chagares, who was nominated by President George W. Bush in 2006.

- “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,”

- The three-judge panel noted that the campaign’s grievances amounted to “nothing more” than allegations that Pennsylvania restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots.

- “The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory,”

- “It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes.”

- The court said it would not issue an injunction to undo the certification because “the Campaign’s claims have no merit.”

“The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters,”

- “Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide election,”

- Trump tweeted that the matter was not yet settled.
“Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous ‘80,000,000 votes’ were not fraudulently or illegally obtained,”

These are the same people who prattle on about a silent majority. But then refuse to believe that 80 million people voted for Biden because they aren't in your face about how they support him.

A donor who gave $2.5 million to a pro-Trump group looking for election fraud wants his money back after disappointing results

- A venture capitalist who gave $2.5 million to a pro-Trump group that said it was trying to find evidence of election fraud is now looking for a refund.

- A lawsuit said Fred Eshelman gave vast sums to the Texas-based True the Vote Inc. but was soon disappointed with its efforts.

- True the Vote mounted lawsuits in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin but later dropped them. It says it is nonetheless still investigating fraud allegations.

- Eshelman said he pressed True the Vote for details of how it was spending his money but instead got "platitudes, and empty promises."