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03-22-2020 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I don't think Joe Biden is going to support that plan.
I feel he loves a good war
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03-22-2020 , 07:15 PM
It's also live on youtube.

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03-22-2020 , 09:13 PM
I heard a rumor he was trying to figure out how to give his phone permission to use the camera on the live stream app over the weekend and that he also has an elite TV studio in his home like some kind of mad baller.
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03-22-2020 , 09:20 PM
Also I have been publicly on political SM calling for Joe to honorably drop out for lying, which has prompted some very interesting reactions and responses. Who knew partisan Democrats act like partisan Republicans when their “winning” conventional wisdom is merely questioned? President Joe BidenEven an ordinary political argument like “Joe should resign” draws all sorts of inane interpersonal-aggression. Sheesh, like they never picked a bad dog-faced lying leader before?
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03-23-2020 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig
I guess at this point in time, we can disagree with how poorly Trump is doing, maybe the current situation isn't dramatic enough for you. But I wonder if you will disagree in the following months, when the death toll has risen drastically. When a significant portion of our doctors and RNs are unable to help bc they are either in quarantine, in intensive care, or dead.

The financial toll on our economy will be great, and neither Trump nor Biden has done enough to address how they will help the vast majority of people that will suffer financially from this crisis. I'm sure everyone here have their jobs and businesses all set for the next 12-18 months and have absolutely nothing at all to worry about, but the vast majority of America is far from it.
I think you are being unrealistic if you think Trump can stop a rising death toll from a global pandemic, that's shut down several european countries.
You have to access Trump against similar countries. In fact, Trump should do less well, as he has the resistance dems, and the mainstream media working against him, and parroting Chinese propaganda.
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03-23-2020 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig
I think you have a point about not bailing out the airlines, they could probably just go bankrupt. But they're going to get bailed out either way, and probably without any restrictions.

We need to bailout the people this time, not just to save lives, but to also save the economy. What we currently have planned is not nearly enough and they've added means testing which limits some of those who need this the most. We're looking at an economic crisis several times greater than that of the Great Recession and possibly even a Great Depression.



You speak of lessons from the Great Depression. Who got us out of that mess again?
Uncosted giveaways is Bernie's speciality. You can promise anything when not in power. UK lib dems are a great example. Promised to write off student debt etc, because they knew they'd never be in power. But freak election put them in a coalition. I don't think they made good on a single promise lol.
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03-23-2020 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
the gov already gave 2T bc the stock market went down a bit for a couple days.

right now they are working on a "bailout" for like 400B. a bailout is my tax dollars an the the tax dollars of my family and friends being stolen and given to billionaires and massive multibillion dollar corporations.

they will fire employees and keep the money for themselves. actually, they will likely just use it to buy stocks and pump the fake value up.

you are a socialist and all of the politicians are socialists. you guys all support stealing and redistributing money and resources. hypocrisy at its finest.
These companies are being forcefully closed. Nothing wrong with them. And by extension you are agreeing with forceful closures.

If the government forcefully closed all good businesses down so that olds can live, government better go on its hands and knees and bail every single business out.

You will bail these businesses out with your tax dollars, and you will like it. Its money well spent.


I'd have much preferred just letting olds die than go through another depression. But socialists don't want that to happen.

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03-23-2020 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
These companies are being forcefully closed. Nothing wrong with them. And by extension you are agreeing with forceful closures.

If the government forcefully closed all good businesses down so that olds can live, government better go on its hands and knees and bail every single business out.
If they were asked to close and then did so under their own free will then you would have a decent argument. However, in the current situation the government owes these businesses nothing. This is more like an 'act of god' scenario where it was necessary to close the businesses. It's the businesses own fault they didn't save for a rainy day or have insurance that would cover them in such a scenario.
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03-23-2020 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
I'd have much preferred just letting olds die than go through another depression. But socialists don't want that to happen.
Apparently you haven't been following what happens to young people.

(not that we should get into that discussion. There are multiple covid-19 threads)
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03-23-2020 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig
What kickstart? Bailout companies and hope they don't fire their employees, cut wages, pass around bonuses and buyback stocks after all is said and done? Meanwhile government gives two $1000 checks with means testing that will barely allow families to scrape by till the end of April?

Go to hell corporate socialist.

Who the hell will hire you if there are no corporations left? Trump's Mara Lago?

Sheep need to be herded. Corporations do a very good job of herding sheep since you can't source income on your own.

This is for your own good.
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03-23-2020 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
If they were asked to close and then did so under their own free will then you would have a decent argument. However, in the current situation the government owes these businesses nothing. This is more like an 'act of god' scenario where it was necessary to close the businesses. It's the businesses own fault they didn't save for a rainy day or have insurance that would cover them in such a scenario.
So when government closes all travel from foreign countries its the airlines's fault they can't survive. Oh they will survive, everyone gets fired first and they put their assets into hibernation.

Typical bolshevism. Destroy it all and blame the victim.
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03-23-2020 , 07:49 AM
You're wrong though. Some will survive.

And lol @ me being a bolshevik (coming from the person that doesn't want the free market to decide). It seems to be a common trend in this thread for people to name call when they have difficulty making a sound argument.
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03-23-2020 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
So when government closes all travel from foreign countries its the airlines's fault they can't survive. Oh they will survive, everyone gets fired first and they put their assets into hibernation.

Typical bolshevism. Destroy it all and blame the victim.
how anti-semetic of you!
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03-23-2020 , 07:57 AM
These bailouts are literally for the common people.

Corporations are just owned by shareholders. Shareholders like me lose money, so be it, I don't care.

Letting the whole corporations collapse because of a forceful shutdown will just throw tens of millions into unemployment ala 20+% depression. Employees will literally just sit at home doing absolutely nothing until a corporation comes back along to hire them.
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03-23-2020 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
You're wrong though. Some will survive.

And lol @ me being a bolshevik (coming from the person that doesn't want the free market to decide). It seems to be a common trend in this thread for people to name call when they have difficulty making a sound argument.
Of course some airlines will survive, many corporations will survive. Like I said they will fire every one first and then put all assets into hibernation until they are allowed to fly again.

If you would prefer that option, then fine.


Restaurants where I live are being forced to close their doors, no customers by decree. It's the restaurant's fault they can't survive? This is Maduro levels of total insane thinking.

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03-23-2020 , 08:19 AM
Unemployment will go above 10%. Businesses will be bailed out. However, not all businesses will be bailed out. There will be winners and losers. The US government shouldn't be in the business of bailing out bad businesses, especially when those businesses are not particularly viable in the near future. Should we bail out theater chains too? Retail stores? Night clubs?
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03-23-2020 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
These bailouts are literally for the common people.

Corporations are just owned by shareholders. Shareholders like me lose money, so be it, I don't care.

Letting the whole corporations collapse because of a forceful shutdown will just throw tens of millions into unemployment ala 20+% depression. Employees will literally just sit at home doing absolutely nothing until a corporation comes back along to hire them.
common people dont own stocks. ffs 60% of the country doesnt even have 500 in the bank.
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03-23-2020 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
common people dont own stocks. ffs 60% of the country doesnt even have 500 in the bank.
Common people don't own stocks? What do you think makes up a 401K?
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03-23-2020 , 12:09 PM
he's hiding like the true coward he is
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03-23-2020 , 12:52 PM
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Common people don't own stocks? What do you think makes up a 401K?
The people Victor cares about do not have a 401k plan.

He's right, the baristas and wait staff of the world who have no emergency fund aren't going to benefit from QEinfinity.

We've decided to nuke the American economy to mitigate the possibility that a relative few people die of otherwise treatable medical conditions during a healthcare availability shortage.

"Bold move, Cotton, but absolutely no chance this one pays off."

I saw a maintenance request come through last night for one of our units from a guy who works at a butcher shop. He still has to go to work, but his washing machine is down. Our service company is shut down and not accepting any service calls right now. All the laundromats are closed, so that tenant is going to have to get creative because he can't show up and handle raw meat with dirty clothes. I had three commercial tenants call me this morning to say they won't make rent and ask what our "program" is. All three have been living on the edge for a while, and this is what'll break them. We have no program. We're a small business with less than 200 units. If the banks tell us we can stop paying our mortgages, we'll pass the mercy along. Until then, rent is due on the 1st.

WAAF

Thanks, Obama.
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03-23-2020 , 01:05 PM
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And that's the democrats best ?
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03-23-2020 , 02:42 PM
Biden read his speech fine. Maybe it was recorded. But seems that is all he is going to have to do for a while. No questions from reporters or events. Just read a 15 minute speech once a week. Maybe a TV interview from his house when he is well rested.
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03-23-2020 , 02:50 PM
Not exactly a very inspiring show of leadership from someone vying to be head of the most powerful nation on earth.

I understand isolating and potentially having to talk down republicans behind the scenes from nuking Wuhan or some other crazy neocon ****. But the image to the public has just been... meh.

If Trump (or more accurately a smattering of people dragging him kicking and screaming through this) locks down the country + gets some people hopped up on placebos and the storm is weathered, who knows what reality will be sculpted afterwards.
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03-23-2020 , 02:50 PM


Seemed like a well written speech, he presented it coherently in a somber, serious tone. I think people want it one way but its the other.
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