if I was 80 years old I had no problem people thinking that.

especially if I messed up that badly.

I'm not the only one who thinks that, trump made videos saying exactly that. that the war would be long over if he was president or that it never would have escalated. that's one of the things people believe him saying and it actually makes sense.

the only thing you've said that makes sense is that the russia/ukraine situation would be "over" if Trump were around..

it would be over because the US would have let russia take over any and all parts of Ukraine and trump would have pressured NATO countries not to interfere with Russia's aggression..

is that situation good or not for the United States, i guess that is arguable..

I'm glad you are agreeing here.

the questions is imo are they doing
what they want anyways? if the result is the same but with less damage for Ukraine and the world why not negotiate peacefully?

it's only not good for warlords and US weapon manufacturers,
there is the only difference?

less dead people and suffering is a good thing.

negotiating is always better than bombing the crap out of each other in my books.

and zelenski can't even make any negotiating with Russia, since that is not in the interest of powerful US manufacturers and Biden. they want this thing to continue since war is a big business, the biggest of them all. so why would they stop it? Russia is gaining from this and so do the Americans. the only ones suffering are you and me. imo from increasing prices.

That is just pure speculation. The only President that allowed parts of Ukraine be taken over with little to no reply was Obama . Many can say that Biden was slow to react and the overall sanctions placed by him have done nothing to stop Russia and drove the west into a recession

We never will know what Trumps response would have been but he did give them military aid under his term while Obama did not.

I don't agree with your conclusion at all. But as to your underlying point, there's definitely a significant spread across demos:

Ahhh the talking points from Breaking Point re-emerge once again. Sigh.


Trump was FORCED to give them aid after trying everything not to. But sure give him credit when he faced a veto proof vote if he did not comply.

It is not pure speculation to say Trump was actively trying to harm Ukraine in many ways in the lead up to all this and using Rudy (and perhaps Manafort) to try and strengthen Russia's position within Ukraine while cutting Trump friendlies in on the spoils. That was the entirety of why Rudy and Manafort were so actively there trying to get and force Putin Oligarchs back in charge of OIl and Gas resources so the syphoning of Billions could go back to Russia. Something that was lost when Zelenskyy took power.


It is not speculation to say Trump showed his hand with how he handled Qatar to pressure them to give Kushner his desperately needed bailout loan, by suddenly treating that ally like it was a pariah state and siding with a drum beat from Saudi to invade, which suddenly went away as soon as Kushner got its loan.

It is not speculation to say Trump turned on the Kurds (ally) the minute Erdogan started threatening Trumps personal business interests in Turkey including the Trump Tower project underway there.


So while you are correct we cannot speak to any action not yet completed with absolute certainty (we could not say with certainty a school shooter would not just stop if just left alone with his conscious), there is simply no reason to give Trump any benefit of the doubt in this area based on what he was already doing to Ukraine.

Trump expressed nothing but disdain for the Ukraine govt and country and still does.

but I know, I know, Turning Point likes to make the 'you cannot say for sure' arguments and as such....

Americans are not known to big savers for a long time now .
Now u imply it’s because of oil gaz prices because of the past 6months?

I could but what would be the point ?
After all the misinformation u keep repeating even after many attempt and datas and studies given to u , u just keep repeating wrong fact and beliefs .

I personally do not know if 90% is the right number , I didn’t double check but his certainly right that the majority of the benefits from the trump tax cut went a big part in stock buyback and not to capex .

Im the end that tax cut will end up creating more debts than benefits for the government

https://www.thebalance.com/cost-of-t...x-cuts-4586645

« According to a 2017 survey, many large corporations said that they didn’t need the money from the Trump administration's tax cuts. They were sitting on a record $2.3 trillion in cash reserves, double the level in 2001.

Instead of using the money from tax cuts to increase production, create more jobs, or raise wages, the CEOs of Cisco, Pfizer, and Coca-Cola instead planned to use the additional cash to pay dividends to shareholders. The CEO of Amgen would use the proceeds to buy back shares of stock.

As a result, the corporate tax cuts in the TCJA would boost stock prices but wouldn't create jobs ».

It isn’t hard to make believe the economy goes well when u had up trillions on debts .
Trump add , prior to Covid , around 4 trillions of debts and he barely made better then obama …
During a time the economy was great from trump owns words …
Trump always used a false facade to claim victory and make up beliefs .
When u look at numbers he was not great at all .
Hell even guys like peter shift ( true libertarian and free market thinker ) claim trump was terrible .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ebt-increasee/

Everything I stated was fact

Tell me what did Obama did to stop Russia from taking Crimea?

Everything you may have stated is True as well but the statement I replied to is pure speculation on What Trump may or may not have done.

I put that moron on ignore months ago




CPI down,gas down 7 weeks in a row and the Inflation bill of 2022 passed

Solid week for President Biden

Donny on the other hand had a v v bad week.


Life is good


Oh I almost forgot about the wonderful jobs report -)

Get em Joe Cool

It is fact to say 'we do not know for sure Hitler would not have just had a change of heart and surrendered even if he was still winning the war'.

It is just dishonest fact and spin to say it. Most of the worst talking you points you repeat are rooted in fact. That does not mean what you think.

it's not entirely speculation though.
it was clear that trump's policy was AMERICA FIRST. they said it thousands of times. he initiated an attempted draw down of nato funding, said he wouldn't come to the defense of NATO countries, and he campaigned on promises to bring troops home.

he also of course tried to delay necessary Ukrainian aid in hopes of obtaining blackmail material that would only be relevant to his own personal success.

those are all facts. not speculations.


it would be speculation to say that Trump is putin's lap dog and would do and allow pretty much anything as long as Putin calls trump "strong" and gives him trump hotel moscow rights..

no you and me are not the only ones suffering. and really, in comparison to the Ukranians (and the orcs), we arent suffering at all.

That's pretty much the cornerstone of Trump's Ukraine policy. All other presidents acted in the interest of the US often with corrupt Ukrainian leaders so there was a limit to how much the Ukrainian government could be trusted. Zelensky was a legit outsider, democratically elected who could be trusted by congress and the executive branch with weapons etc. But since Trump was corrupt he wasn't willing to help Ukraine even though Congress approved funds without getting something out of it for himself.

Zelensky is a corrupt oligharch or crony of the oligarchs whos name is all over the Pandora papers.

https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora...s-inner-circle

and after that whole phone call of Nuland that was leaked, its pretty clear he was the choice for the USA and the Dems.

Meh. For a country as corrupt as Ukraine it seems he was making an honest effort to slowly get rid of the corruption and make Ukraine a legitimate democracy. It isn't something you could do all at once.

It is quite possible Putin was always going to try to invade and install a puppet govt in Ukraine when he saw the opportunity. And he chose this time because of LOL European green energy policies giving him leverage (Exactly as Trump warned. Whatever you think of Trump he called that one and was right). And Zelensky being the President had little to do with Putin's decision. Probably any President/govt that wasn't a crony of Putins would have been invaded.

Everything involves a person calculus for Trump. He would say people are 'suckers' if they did not look at it that way.

So what that meant is in Country to Country negotiations where Billions or Trillions might be negotiated with another nation for Billions or Trillions in return, Trump would look at it and think 'can I maybe get Millions or Billions personally, if I give them what they want from the US'.


Trump would always trade off US value at massive discount if the payment went to him personally.

In a calculus of Deal A garnering the US Treasury Billions in return for action A, B, C, or Trump personally being able to instead add another Million to his personal bank account, he takes that deal all day, every day if he can get away with it.

Thus why he would have his proxies or family out making those deals (Jared, Rudy, etc) to gain personal benefit and then setting policy based on those personal wins.

If Trump gets a second term I fully expect a wholesale firesale of anything and everything he can monetize personally. You want Regulation A gutted ...support Trump getting something personally. You want better Trading Status with the US, ...find a away to give Ivanka and the family some huge benefits.

No question Trumps policies were America first actually they may have been Trump first .

As for NATO Trump is a 100% right all the countries pledged 2% they should live up to it. Even now with Russia invading Ukraine who is footing most of the bill the USA. My own country of Canada may be the worst and the money pledged will never happen as well

You are tight those are all facts

I doubt that anyone gets elected president in Ukraine who is entirely free from corruption, including Zelensky.

But most of the chirping about Zelensky is in service of providing a soft defense of Putin's conduct. And it goes without saying that people who provide a soft defense of Putin aren't particularly concerned about corruption.

Youre right, of course, they suffer more. So what to do? Is there an end in sight? Has anyone brought any kind of solution? peace talk?

Can anyone tell this donk that his posts look like a 2 year old
playing with a keyboard?

I mean its ridiculous that he calls me a moron, although I am at times of course. Comical.

first sentence: ya ofc Zelensky is corrupt.
third sentence: anyone not in full on support of Zelensky doesnt care about corruption.

like jfc maybe get your law students or paralegals to read your posts to make sure you dont completely contradict yourself in the span of 3 sentences. embarassing.

You might have a point if I had actually said the third sentence.