and rococo my friends are well off you could say. one lives in million dollar mansion the other one gets huge paychecks as injured vet. if they lose 100k it's no big deal for them, well kinda. but imagine what the average Joe is going through now. he is completely ****ed if he doesn't make 100k a year.

and you know the majority lives under that threshold. the average family income is less than 50k a year and you know it. they can't even afford to go to burger king anymore, let alone have the gas money to get there.

that's reality now believe it or not.

not everyone is a lawyer, 99.9% are not that fortunate, ya know?

most are living paycheck by paycheck. with under a 1000 dollars in savings. that goes for more than half of your country. the former middle class is now the poor class. something went wrong...

You are making giant assumptions the "progress" Democrats are trying to push will actually make things better, and the people will want it. When there is every indication much of it is making things worse and people are starting to be disillusioned by it very quickly. There is a world in the not very far post Trump future where Republicans can become the majority party very quickly, and Democrats will be very glad they have every tool at their disposal as a minority party to try to block the Republican agenda (such as it is).

In the next 2,4,6 years If inflation keeps up, tax and IRS "reforms" actually do target the middle class, energy gets more and more unpredictable and expensive, crime and social breakdown continue to escalate, and the Democrat party keeps pushing race essentialism people are going to be voting Democrat? I am skeptical.

Your article is written by the New York Post...

Here is the poll

The poll was taken in the end of June.

"The full sample is weighted for region, age, education, gender and race based on US Census information" but not economic status. The 88% that are saying the country has "gotten off on the wrong track" are not middle class. They are all respondents of the poll. For the 6 months prior the numbers have gone up from 51% in January to 88% in June. During Trump's presidency it peaked at 74% in mid 2020 and by Nov 2020 was down to 68% (maybe 4% has the sense that Biden would be President).

But its August now. And congress has just passed a bill that I'm guessing a lot of people in the poll will be happy about in terms of the Climate change (Global Warming), Obamacare, Medicaid, drug prices, federal spending, taxes, and inflation.

In other news, online prices have gone down by 1% in July 2022 (from prices in July 2021) for the first time in over 2 years. And gas prices are down about 20% in the last two months. Which should also have an impact on inflation.

Not sure how Trump helped the middle class other than allowing what Obama had done to continue. Trump's China Tariffs crippled a lot of US farmers. His handling of Covid led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and perhaps a greater economic downturn than was necessary. The one major piece of legislation in Trump's 4 year term was the tax cuts which basically didn't impact the Middle Class at all (over 90% went to stock buy backs/dividends which primarily helped wealthy investors and the companies themselves - they didn't affect prices or wages).

rising energy prices do hit the middle class the most, who else? they are the sole idiots having to spend all their money on energy. with that money they are supposed to save for the future. but no they can't do that now. they got f.

poor people on welfare don't have to worry about paying energy bills. they get that for the state. rich have enough.

so who really gets screwed over now?

mostly the middle class since they have no more room to move and their money power evaporates into nirvana.

Unfortunately, worrying about climate change is a luxury for people that are having their basic needs met. No-one gives a **** about climate change when things are going bad. When your immediate future is uncertain, the last thing you have the luxury to worry about is the far future. This is a basic reality of 4 billion years of evolution and natural selection. The ONLY way to get people to invest in the future of the planet is to make things as good as possible for them right now. Telling them they need to sacrifice (especially when the people lecturing them aren't sacrificing themselves) is completely untenable.

I have to read and think you kinda have a lot of infos there.


all I can tell you is what I hear and observe now. the middle class is suffering the most. they are the ones having to lift all this bs and at the same time are the ones with the least room to do so.

economy was great under trump, wasn't it? stocks went up, people were happy. employment rose, people could go on vacation. now look now. it's going only in the opposite direction. everyone is complaining.


we have companies with a few employees. I get to hear stories all day if I want to. those people do not have enough to live anymore. can't do vacations, heck can't to jackshit anymore.. and they get an average middle class income. we pay what's standard for that kind of work sometimes give extra. it's still not an. not enough in all sectors or the economy. all people are suffering from this in Europe too. and these are people with what used to be good jobs! and plenty of income.

that was different a few years ago. and it hit the middle class like a nobody else. sure the poor too but they were used to poverty. we are talking poverty in the former middle class to make sure. and we can't even pay them more or we go broke. it's a big problem.

Agreed

Which is why the Dem's should do away with the Filibuster.

This 'but omg what would the GOP then do' fear, used to try and stop the Dems is just a way for many of those who like the status quo to protect the system from real changes and the Dem brass are happy to seize on that.

there is no denying that issue by issue most the Dem agenda items they put forth in election campaigns enjoys some of the highest levels of support across the country not just amongst Dems but also with Republicans and the unaffiliated. The only time you see any support drop is when it is framed in culture war type ways but stripped of that and just asked directly about the issues the US citizens want these changes.

If is US corporate interests and the wealthy elite that do not.

Then why is Biden polling under 40%? So the Democratic agenda is wildly popular, but its incumbent president has one of the lowest approval ratings ever, they are probably going to lose the house, are in a dogfight to lose the Senate. And the only reason this isn't even worse is the LOL Supreme Court overturning a popular decision, Roe vs Wade.

Your post doesn't have much overlap with reality IMO.

I agree with you that trumps tariffs were bad as I think all tariffs are bad, but his intentions seemed to be good as he was trying to punish them for stealing intellectual property among other things. His tax cut was good for the middle class class because tax cuts are good for long-term growth. He also raised the standard deduction which is a massive tax cut for the poor.

Where did you come up with trump caused a bigger economic downturn than a dem would have coming out of Covid? That seems border like insane after we saw what Biden did with spending and printing money and keeping parts of the economy shut down for far too long.

Site for your claim that “over 90% went to stock buy backs/dividends”?

As you might imagine, I know a lot more than two people in the United States.

The policies of a sitting president don't typically have much impact on real time fluctuations in the stock market. Ditto for inflation. Inflation in the United States is a product of events that are outside the control of the U.S. government, and decisions by the government that span multiple administrations, including Trump's administration. For example, if you want to argue that we are experiencing inflation in the United States in part because we kept interest rates artificially low, that's fine. But I've been hearing that message for more than ten years, and Trump was as big a fan of the Fed keeping interest rates low as Obama was.

Anti-political sentiment is so high in the U.S. right now that approval ratings are likely to be low for any sitting president, Republican or Democrat, for the foreseeable future.

Cupee was making an argument the Democratic agenda is wildly popular. So your statement that anti-political sentiment is very high doesn't exactly gel with this argument, given Democrats control the executive and have small minorities in both houses.

I understand it wasn't your argument, so I am not asking you to defend it. Just pointing out a pretty big discrepancy IMO.

So The "the Inflation Reduction Act" announced a $7500 credit for buying EVs (courtesy of the taxpayer) and immediately Ford announces they will be increasing the price of F150 EVs that amount. Seems about right.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...rice-increase/
"Ford F-150 Lightning Prices Rise $6000 to $8500 as Order Books Reopen for the EV Pickup"

There is a difference between policies being popular and politicians being popular. Regardless of how popular Democratic policies are, the political class is not very popular the moment.

The statement is that the 'STATED democratic agenda is wildly popular' and it is. Issue by issue record polling.

What that DOES NOT mean is sentiment for the politicians and process is high.

It can be true that a promise of $1MM cash would be popular with the individual promised it.

It can also be true that the non delivery post, would make sentiment towards the 'promisor' very poor.

That's not even close to reality. For example, median household income for married filers is around $100K.

Only around half of American adults are married. And they skew wealthy. So your stat doesn’t invalidate his argument at all. Quite the opposite.

thanks, I knew I was off there a bit. I've heard this 50k number somewhere. it's probably the average income of one individual.

but do the math, even 100k doesn't get you through nowadays.


let's make an example.

family in California, 2 kids- with 100k

house rent or mortgage= 3k/month (at least) probably more like 4k (you can't find a house under 3k now imo, not anywhere near a city)

that's 48k for housing alone, probably not incl. all costs)

then you need a car and gas=
probably another 20k a year

probably x 2 since you have two working people needing 2 cars.

food= 500/ a month per person?

that's 24k a year. and that's probably more like 6-800/ person/ month idk.

then you need to pay for school and vacation of the kids, also clothing etc., computer/phone/ sports
= 25k/per kid, if both kids go to a private school impossible.

oops, money is used up. can't live in California with that income. that's why you see working people living in trailer parks in California now btw. they come out of the car with suit and ties and they live in that car.

that's the middle class. I think they might have a hard time even in Iowa with 100k. they would have to buy a farm and do home schooling and growing food.

your lawyer friends don't count as typical.

now is anything but typical, the US is in a major war in the middle of Europe. the sitting president seems to be a 80 year old who belongs in a retirement home and can't call any shots and if he does it seems to benefit the rich and never the poor or middle class. and most of the times he seems to not know what he is talking about. his son is going crazy around the world especially in Ukraine. all is nuts and we are killing our economy and worrying about a virus that kills 0.2 of the population, or how much was it?

These middle class friends?

You blame Biden for the war in Ukraine?

Also, do you think people would suspect that you had cognitive problems (dementia, mental disorder, etc.) if you were a head of state?

You think my friends are mostly lawyers? I hang out with as few lawyers as possible.

yeah I added that to asure you they are middle class. they have a typical middle class income. one inherited a piece of land and they took a mortgage and build a 500k house. that price rise up to the roof now. the other one is a vet, nothing special. and both don't have enough monty now and say it was all so much better when trump was president. everyonr had money then. and they are no racist, in fact both are minorities. so this is purely based on non racial politics.