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I absolutely think the SCOTUS would have heard the case due to the reason you say. The violence would have already begun and the Trump camp was actually counting on that.

As soon as Pence, either by his choice or via being forced by the mob to miss the Constitutional count window, Trump and 'R' congresspersons would have immediately said the Election is not concluded and there is no new POTUS per the Constitution since the Electors were not received in to the Senate. They would then immediately call for the process to switch to a Contingent Election, decided by the House, and start the process and call for the vote, which the Republicans would win, reinstating Trump.

Citizens seeing this would lead to Trump stealing the election would have hit the streets in mass numbers instantly along with likely rioting around the edges.

Trump then planned to institute martial law, calling that an attempted coup against his rightful gov't. Meanwhile the Dems would be trying to get the SCOTUS to weigh in quickly.

But the pressure on Biden and the Dems by Trump et al would be to simply get Biden to concede for the 'sake or peace' and 'not tearing apart the country'. It was what Al Gore did seeing the potential for division should he keep fighting.

Ultimately that is what Trump et al were betting on more than anything else. That with seeing Trump slamming the various forced against citizens, in a very Tiananmen Square type way would horrify the Dem's so much they would concede for Peace.

Would Biden and the Dems? WHo knows. You would have Trump and the 'R' congresspeople saying the Dems are trying to steal the election by defying the Constitution and trying to have the SCOTUS interfere where they have no role, due to separation of Powers, when they, the 'R's', were willing to follow the Constitution and you would have Biden and the Dems saying Trump and Co were trying to steal the election they lost. And you would have masses of Trump's deplorables racing to 'fight for him' and gleefully killing Dem supporters and rioters.

And then what if the SCOTUS rules for Biden but Trump gives them the middle finger too? He has the Constitution behind him and the Dem's have SCOTUS behind them. Who blinks as the violence rages?

I see very little chance that it plays out other than the above. That was certainly the Trump plan but how the Dems react and fight is the unknown.

The system absolutely does recognize a right to protest, it is Constitutional, in the form of mass gatherings that have occurred frequently over time to address systemic injustice that is slow to change. Race protests since the end of slavery and thru Jim Crow and beyond have been instrumental in getting gov't to honour the commitments of the Constitution to POC, when they were otherwise ignored or left behind.

It is also understood that in any such legit protest movements that criminality and other anarchist groups will use that passion to hide in the wings and run their own agenda. These people get arrested on mass.

The system of US governance absolutely would not ever change that right and ability to protest despite the neerdowell element that hides under it. It is a good and valued part of any healthy democracy and has lead to many needed changes for disadvantaged people.


The Jan6th Insurrection has no part in US society or governance and is completely unconstitutional. Sore losers do not get to use force to try and keep their preferred candidate in office. That should never be tolerated or allowed and no amount of 'whatabout' will make it so.

The January 6 terrorists came pretty damned close to kidnapping and killing their targets.

I don't know where you get your news from but maybe spread out your viewing a little.

And once again, riots are not an example of working within the system to change things. They are an expression of frustration.

When you compare BLM which was not founded to start riots with the your kinsmen in the January 6 insurrection which was a riot that had been planned and instigated by anti American rebels, it shows how out of touch with even the most basic aspects of reality you are.

Please note, BLM rallies that turned into riots were a net bad. The Jan 6 riot was a net bad.
But the actual rioters in both situations are powerless dupes. The BLM protests that turned violent were due to pent up rage at the system. The Jan 6 rioters were intentionally manipulated by your masters.

You see the difference, right ? Dupes are dupes in the end. But it's a pretty dumb comparison.

I agree protest has a place in our society and what happened Jan 6th doesn’t. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the year+ long riots had a far bigger impact on our society than 1/6.

The riots were mainly about hurting other people because those rioting don’t under statistics, but there was a small group that attached themselves to the riots who were actually peaceful and were trying to enact peaceful change.

Hurting and killing others in a riot should not be tolerated or allowed and no amount of whataboutism will make it so.

i don't disagree about your comment on riots.

The question is why such things are brought up as a whatabout to Jan6th.

Wars are bad too but they don't say anything about Jan6th. So a 'whatabout wars' point would have little value.

Anyway you agree having an existing POTUS incite individuals to riot on the Capital in an attempt to derail an election so he could hope to seize power via a Constitution crisis is a bad thing, so i'll let it go there. Small victory.

The "Whatabout" is that 2020 had a lot of rioting. And 99% of it was left wing, and 1% was right wing. And they are treated very very differently by the justice system in a very overtly political manner. And this is not how legitimate governments act. And this is completely independent of whatever Trump did. And government that do act this way should not be surprised when they are viewed highly negatively by large segments of the populace.

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

lotta rioting in the 60s and the 90s too


whats your point? Are you just another right wing fascist who hates black people? I'm thinking you are but lmk if i'm off base here

wow, that's pretty one sided

Was jan 6th being used as a whatabout to the well supported riots or where the riots being used as a whatabout for 1/6. I think we can agree both are used as whatabouts for each other - we could also include the intimidation of the supreme court justices to this list. All 3 of these things are in the same tier in terms of how ugly/bad they are depending on how much we weigh each factor, but only one is catching the spotlight during prime time and very little is left to the imagination of why they choose which of the 3 to focus on.

I think anytime a politician encourages political violence it is a bad thing. If I had my may every politician that encouraged or supported political violence before or during these 3 events would all be fired.

I don't think thenogod is saying he did a poll and it is exactly 99% to 1%. Maybe the right wing is 2% or 0.5%, but I think we can all agree he is close.

AGAIN,

It is absolutely part of the American Constitutional system for people to Protest in mass numbers over certain injustices and it is known that as a part of that certain criminal and anarchist elements will try to take advantage and get arrested.


It IS NOT part of the American Constitutional system for a POTUS to whip up a mob, to create a riot, so he can disrupt an election count in the hopes he can use that to create a crisis and stay in power.

You are just being dishonest acting like they are the same and you would never support Obama trying to stay in power via the same method.


So YEAH no **** one gets different attention than the other.

Nonsense.

Trump took his best available Putin like swing to over throw the US gov't, using the insurrectionist rioters as the tool.

Your attempt to minimize that and make it just like 'every other issue' is simply part of your devotion to Trump and his derp MAGA world.

If this was Obama your outrage would be palpable and justified. A POTUS trying to destroy US democracy is a big deal.

You will try and laugh it off as some CT, but that is exactly what Trump thought he was doing and his goal, even if you think it he would never succeed.

You are talking about trump, who I doubt will serve any jail time because it is very hard to get a sitting president to serve jail time, even if he absolutely deserves it.


I am talking about many of the people he “whipped into a mob” to enter capital who have been in jail over a year awaiting trial and will serve additional time after that. And this inCludes nonviolent offenders.

This is a very unprecedented and partisan approach to handling a riot That doesn’t serve any greater good IMO.

Not just Trump. Those being held entered the Capital in an attempt and belief they could over through the US gov't and give Trump a dictator type power.

That is very different than an anarchist or rioter wrecking ****, no matter the games to pretend it is not.

We have examples in history of gov'ts being over taken by such mobs wanting Dictator rule and that is why such things have to be treated much more seriously.

The riot itself was highly partisan. There's never been a riot so clearly and predictably caused by a president. Anything that gets the republican party to think twice about using right wing terrorists and terrorism to achieve political goals is a good thing.

Good ole Dems

Now the definition of a recession changes . Guess they are expecting bad numbers Thursday.

Amazing how fast the Fox News talking point du jour gets disseminated.

“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
― George Orwell

To be fair, if this is a recession, it is very different than other ones we've experienced. I'm not saying we won't experience the normal things we expect in a recession, but as of right now this doesn't feel like any of the previous ones.

BTW - In no way am I defending biden or dems who knowingly and intentionally increased inflation. What they did to the poor and middle class is despicable.

Fox Talking Points ??

I can only imagine if Trump was in office and we had two negative periods of positive GDP and Trump said well I have a different definition from what the accepted standard is to define an inflation. CNN & MSNBC would be going crazy.

To the average person making a normal salary all this inflation is killing them and as strong as the job market is that could change

Yup jobs are great so the average person can get two of them to pay for higher rent, gas and food

Yes. You know, the stuff you obediently rush in here to parrot out.





That’s a nice imaginary world you’ve constructed for yourself.

Yeah you might need a new word to describe the current situation, sort of like the term stagflation didn’t become popular until it was observed.

Interesting that gas prices have fallen so much over the last month if democrats want inflation.

Depends if they own a house .
Didnt the Americans have like huge % of owning homes ?

Didn’t wages still going up ?
Why would they need 2 jobs ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/08/b...-slowdown.html

“Average hourly earnings picked up by 5.1 percent in the year through June, moderating slightly from 5.3 percent in the year through May. Economists in a Bloomberg survey had expected a slightly bigger cool-down, to 5 percent.”

That inflation won’t last the wages will at some point .

Stop freakn out about short term frame lozen , u know -> variation , small sample size ?

Anyway better have inflation and still have a job than a deflation and no jobs and still have debt , ending up in bankruptcy .