also... Hop on one foot?

I should be banned

Aghh do we remember the days when Joe Biden said 225,000 dead under any president does not deserve to be in office and should resign

Joe has the vaccines and was the only man to conquer Covid yet he officially has more deaths than Trump 400,000+

Guess neither of you really can do the job

You know your administration is horrible when your Vice-President has a 28% approval rating.

Other than Herbert Hoover and William Henry Harrison (who passed-away after 30 days in office), what other Presidents in history have even arguably had a worse first ten months in office than Mr. Biden?

That is just poor, flawed reasoning and extrapolation though lozen.

Two things can be true at once.

Take Canada for example. If we had a Trump like leader and had a Death rate equal to the US which is 3x higher per million than Canada currently has it can be correct for someone to criticize that Trump like leader and state we should have NEVER had such a death toll and they need to go.

That person then if handed the reigns can indeed end up with a higher death toll as this is an EXPONENTIAL virus. That person does not get a reset or clean slate and instead takes off from a complete sh*t starting point with toxic politics spread into the population.

You seem operate under the assumption here (or just out of a need to always try and find a way, no matter how specious) to equate your 'left wrongs' to the actions of 'right based actors' and their wrongs.

There is no equivalency here.

Trump did a whole host of things to maximize spread and death during his reign. Biden has largely done the opposite. No one expects magic and that Biden should have a magic wand to counter covid. People expect that he makes sound decisions and follow the science while realizing then the virus is going to do what it does.

Her approval has nothing to do with her performance. Historically the VP has been an empty suit (or in Pence’s case empty headed) white man. As the parties stand now, there is a good chance Dems won’t have 2 white men on the ticket for the foreseeable future. Harris represents that change and people don’t like it.

There are some m doa narratives at play as well. She got blamed for migrant crossings when they were high but no credit when they went down.

Hold on I have admitted many times Trump lost the presidency partly on the horrible job he did and lack of empathy

Biden did say any leader that has 225,000 dead needs to resign. He never put a clause in that.

Lets also remember Biden has not removed patent protection on vaccines that the government funded so we can vaccinate the rest of the world.

I do believe he ran on the fact he could defeat covid? Looks like he has not achieved that.

Remember when Trump told everyone this would last 15 days and also you can cure yourself with aquarium cleaner and UV lights?

Who doesn't but Trump is gone and Biden's running your country and I just pointed out that he is not having much luck at Covid either . Even he has lost support among his own party in the polls on his handling of Covid

Even Left Wing Media has pointed out his mistakes

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...fight-n1285077

Trump is gone. Biden got handed Vaccines

Hee, hee, I haven't been for Europe, either.... She giggles like a school girl whenever asked a tough question. How do you explain her relatively high rating early on?

You can certainly disagree with Mr. Pence, but if you think that he is "empty headed" compared to Ms. Harris, then you aren't paying attention (in my opinion).

I think that is only a small part of her unpopularity.

Mr. Biden was primarily blamed for migrant crossings, not Ms. Harris.

Harris is a freak who happens to be a black woman. Michelle Obama would poll better, hint, she's also a black woman

I don't exactly recall the Biden quote but I think it was more geared to the responsibility of the Leader.

All covid deaths are not equal. There is a randomness to covid that despite measures it will spread and people will die and no one can be blamed for that.

That said, that does not mean that certain people in power cannot be RESPONSIBLE for deaths beyond that randomness and that is where i blame Trump.

We need less hyperbole and less attempts and literal gotchas which seem to be your focus.

if you expect Biden to have caveated his every word 'we are going to end covid unless a new variant pops up, and if that variant is very dangerous we might be ****ed', you are not going to get that and to pretend they should say it is just silly. Biden has mixed both optimism and caution regularly in his language which is exactly what leaders need to do.

You are tryin to select out words to make an argument he is not perfect and that is silly.

I think it is more apt to describe him as an immoral empty suit.

Much like a less smart televangelists with the fleet of private jets, he uses his faux religious beliefs to try and gain power and privilege over others.

My dude, you’re the guy who first brought up Trump.

I’ll be the first to agree Biden could do a better job with COVID, he’s still a vast improvement over your boy Trump.

Pence is definitely dumb….maybe average by Trump administration standards? Dude had to go to Dan Quayle (another guy known for being a little dim) to hear that the VP can’t just declare who the next POTUS is.

And Harris’ ratings as VP were never good. Only Pence was as unpopular this far in.

Its not about gotchas its about equal treatment. If anything Trump had no vaccine while Biden does.
If you can not see the double standard the media has when treating Trump over Biden?

I just really think it does not matter who leads the USA the media and leadership have divided the country I have no clue how they get back to normality.

Harris was a horrible pick. She did so bad in the primaries as well and the only reason she was picked was a woman of color

Who was the last VP who did well in a national primary? Or do you purposely give Harris extra scrutiny for not being a white male?

If you truly didn’t think it mattered you wouldn’t be in here constantly simping for the Republican Party.

Of course it is. Unless you actually think Biden should resign over Covid, this is nothing more than a gotcha.

If you think Biden's handling of the pandemic is in the same universe as Trump's, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Never miss an opportunity for this, do you?

vaccine or not there is no magic to defeating a virus.

These are novel virus that are mutating. Trying to hold anyone, including Trump to any specific outcome and then when mutations happen saying 'ha gotcha, you said...' is just dumb. And that is exactly what you are doing.

You are using a variant of the way the Derps criticized the CDC based on statement made in todays context that might change later when new data would come out. They would race to quote specific statements just like you are doing as if these are static situations and not dynamic changing ones.

Trump was criticized rightly for ignoring the science and fighting the experts.

Tell me exactly what you think Biden has done that compares to that that is not being treated equally or fairly?

Joe Biden.

5th place in Iowa with <1% and dropped out. That’s good?

Ah, you mean serving VP; Al Gore then I guess. And before that George HW Bush.

It's reasonable to disagree with lozen's view about whether Kamala is doing a good job as VP or the causes for her unpopularity, but it is important to pick someone who will be a good candidate for the party. The last Democratic VP to not eventually be nominated as a presidential candidate was Alben Barkley under Truman.

The point is her resume is completely standard for a VP. I know lolzen probably just can’t think it through or doesn’t know the basic history but VPs not doing great in a primary their first try is hardly some big deal. Biden did worse his first time as did plenty of completely unremarkable VPs and even future presidents like Reagan.

This is silly. True George HW Bush lost his reelection campaign with Dan Qualye as his VP. And Trump lost his with Mike Pence as his. But VP's usually make very little difference in national elections. They are good for helping out in home states and regions. Most VP's didn't do anything for Presidential Administrations. It is only recently that they have started to be central players.

First of all this is a meaningless question. The real question is which Presidents faced with challenges handled them worse than Biden? Then the other question that is perhaps more important is which Presidents were less popular than Biden at any time in their administrations?

Looking to fivethirtyeight.com for all polling about Presidents since Truman this is what we have:
- Harry Truman less popular than Biden after a year and a half (due to 2nd World War Issues I would guess) and worse than Biden in his 2nd term for most of it after the first year
- Lyndon Johnson less popular than Biden in his last year in office (which is why he didn't run again)
- Richard Nixon much less popular after 10 months of his 2nd term in office because of Watergate (forcing his resignation)
- Gerald Ford much less popular in his first ten months because of his pardon of Richard Nixon - which caused him to lose to jimmy Carter in 1976
- Ronald Reagan much less popular than Biden at the 2 year mark because of Recession
- George HW Bush much less popular than Biden in his last year of office which is arguably much worse than the first 10 months (see Reagan) due to mild Recession and people reading his lips
- Bill Clinton much less popular than Biden is now, in his first 4 months. Probably mostly due to failure to get his health care bill passed. But start of Whitewater investigation and scandals too
- George W Bush after 10 months into his 2nd term which continued to dive for the rest of his 2nd term. Many things were the cause of this but he was in my mind the worst President in my lifetime at the time for many reasons (lying about Iraq WMD in order to invade Iraq, invading Afghanistan and nation building after saying in a debate with Gore that the only difference between himself and Gore in terms of foreign policy was "Nation Building, he's for it, I'm against it", the complete financial meltdown, failing to get Bin Laden, failing to keep his focus on getting Bin Laden, lying about how his tax cuts were going to raise revenues, etc.)
- Barack Obama 10 months into his 2nd term, also 2 years into his first term (racial backlash? hatred of Obamacare by Republicans? political polarization? the Tea Party?)
- Donald Trump who was less popular than Biden for all ten months into his Presidency. Not sure if Trump accomplished anything in his first 10 months but maybe he had started separating children from parents at the border to intimidate immigration and asylum seekers. Also maybe there were a number of infrastructure weeks in which there was actually no legislation but a lot of photo ops. My favorite part of the ten months was the vote as part of Reconciliation bill to eliminate Obamacare not needing a single Democratic Vote and watching as Collins of ME, Murkowski of AK, and ultimately a thumbs down from McCain of AZ all voted against the bill. Couldn't get it done within his own party. Lets see what Biden can get done with his reconciliation bill.

What has caused Biden's unpopularity? Probably first and foremost his mistake in Afghanistan of leaving too soon and not securing a way out for more people. Possibly lying to the American people about why he did it that way. But in the end it may have saved lives and a ton of money. Staying in Afghanistan longer would have opened the US up to more attacks from Al Qaeda and the Taliban wasn't going to maintain their cease fire for any longer. So yes 13 soldiers died as a result but many fewer soldiers have died in Afghanistan per year under Biden than under Trump, Obama, and Bush. It still isn't clear how many more Afghans would have gotten out or if they are being killed in Afghanistan now. But the whole war was stupid. We should have known after the Russian failure that trying to take over Afghanistan was a fool's errand. When I was growing up when somebody did something to America we retaliated proportionally. Even under Reagan when we lost over 200 troops in a Lebanon bombing we didn't respond immediately or try to occupy Lebanon while pretending to search for the killers. This 20 year war was not proportional. We lost $2 Trillion and 2,500+ US lives. Not counting the tens of thousands of civilian casualties. There was no progress under any President. We might have had a chance without the Iraq invasion but I doubt it.

Then there is Biden's inability to get Mancin and Synema on board with his plan to lift Americans out of poverty, reverse climate change, and support American workers. We will see what he can do there. If he can't get a substantial reconciliation bill then he will not have a shot in 2024. But I think Mancin and Synema know this and may be willing to compromise. And that could be Biden's biggest strength.


This is very important however Biden had put himself in a bind when he said that he would pick a woman as VP.

Because Biden had basically turned around the primaries because of black voters in SC, BLM had come to the fore, and he desperately needed massive turnout to beat Trump I think he was under pressure to pick a black woman as his VP. Kamala Harris was the only one who had any state wide office. He could have picked Stacey Abrams who had lost the Georgia Governor's race by 1% or so (and to this day still hasn't conceded because Kemp was the Secretary of State at the time and in charge of the election count and voter rolls). The mayor of Atlanta was also awesome but again no statewide office.

In many ways Kamala Harris was a similar pick to Obama's choice in the 2008 election. It wasn't going to generate fear among Republicans (and generate opposing votes) that the VP pick would be President after Biden. But it was definitely somebody who would get out the Democratic vote for Black women. Which it did.

In retrospect I think Corey Booker would have been a better choice as VP. But it was too late once Biden committed to a female running mate.

It is too early yet to know what will happen in 2024 (Biden could win a 2nd term) or in 2028 (Kamala Harris's numbers may go up by then). Lets see if she can do anything of importance. I'm guessing she will have a chance.